Does This Machine Look Exactly Like The Pm 1127vf?

I was looking at a metal lathe in Canada and came across this one. The price would be close to Matt's at PM (it is on sale right now) so with dollar value and all considered it would be comparable in price if not cheaper. I was curious since I know little to nothing about metal lathes and want to get into machining. Here is a link from Garant Machinerie in Quebec.

http://garantmachinerie.com/en/shop/wsl-v-series/

For me there is not many differences on the outside. I saw the emergency stop button is a bit different on the top. But overall they look like almost mirror images of each other. I was curious what you guys think? Since if I pick it up I would likely just use everything online refering to the PM 1127 machine to get it set up and going. I can't really find much online about Garant company or their machines so that is why I thought I'd ask here. Hopefully someone can read the spec's and let me know their opinions.

Any response is greatly appreciated.

Curt

Quite probably from the same factory that PM buys them from. If it is more reasonable to buy from them, since you are in Canada, than go for it. Just remember, there is no customs on machinery improved to Canada from the US (just the normal GST, etc), and I am betting they are not a stocking dealer (and neither is PM).

Just one note: if you can afford the space and the extra money, than seriously think jumping up to a 12x36. Getting a D1-4 cam lock chuck vs. a bolt on chuck is a huge advantage. As is power cross feed and the extra stability/rigidity.

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LOL If only I did have some money I'd be happy to spend it for a bigger PM machine. Wife claimed my money and what she left me with my kid claimed the rest. I would love to get an RML 1440V for my garage but not a hope of buying a $30k machine. A shop in my city priced it out for me. $27,900 but it would have the CSS feature and a couple other lesser add ons. But of course I'd still have to add on the GST to that price so would end up over 30k by the time things were said an done and it got delivered. So for now I will settle on a tiny hobby machine till I can squirrel away some cash for a bigger and better machine. I do however have to admit the premium machine from PM is a superior one especially for the price. I like the QCTP feature and a few other add ons that the Elite machine would sell as extra $$$. But for now I can only afford the basic machine just waiting to hear back from the company hopefully Monday and get things finalized. But after reading a few forums I found one other gentleman that bought the exact same machine. Apparently it comes with or without a power cross feed. I forgot to ask the dealer if the one he quoted me on had that feature. It sure better or else the PM machine would for sure be the way I'll end up going.

If Garant can match PM price then go for it. I would also recommend calling PM and seeing what they would charge for delivery to Canada, you never know.

WRT QCTP, you are better off buying from some place like Enco when what you want is on sale and there is a 20% coupon to boot (which happens frequently). Something that can easily be added at a later date.

I forgot that the PM1127 has power cross feed; it is one of the few lathes smaller than 12x36 with that feature.

Have you looked at the Grizzly offerings? They have quite a few lathes in a variety of sizes and prices, and will ship to Canada.

That is the same machine, of which I have one. Rigidity is one of those things that you would be hard pressed to see any real difference on vs a 12 x 36. This machine has 7" wide ways, which is the same as the 12 x 36 machines. The big difference is in the variable speed vs geared head machines. The geared head machines simply have more torque at the low speeds. If this lathe had a longer bed, you would see a lot more people buy it. It does everything I need it to do, so I didn't see the need for the extra 9" on the bed or 220 volt.

Looks like the Weiss machine (the last run of PM-20/25/30MV mills were Weiss as well).

http://www.weiss.com.cn/product/&pmcId=38.html

Does look like the same machine, but there is no way they will beat our price with the same accessories. Also can't tell the spindle bore size on that one, I was not able to find the specs.

Hey I can get you that RML-1440V for $10,000 less than they are quoting you, are you sure thats not in the price range? (just joking, much more machine than you need I am sure!)

And yeah we do not deal with Weiss anymore. At all. Just to be clear, they DO NOT make machines. They just did quality control for a bit for us. Which was fine, but we would have had to raise prices too much, for no reason. And a lot of other problems. The machines were fine once we went through them and did what we needed, but just bad business overall.

But anyway, if you can get a good deal on that one, why not. Just make sure they can supply parts down the road.

I've had quite a few orders recently for Busy Bee Lathes for parts only, because Busy Bee won't help them out. But I have to stop doing that, its taking too much of my time. I am not saying we are always the absolute fastest on parts, but I can always get them. Seems that many others can't.

Well I told my wife I am opening up a seperate account just for me. She can't get my saved up money anymore. LOL I may just take you up on that offer for an RML 1440V some day. LOL But not for a few years now. I will call QMT shop in a few minutes and ask a few questions. I may order a machine from you today. Likely just a 1022 or 1030V that is my budget. But we will talk. Thanks again for your responses. Very much appreciated.

Yup, I tried to get a machine through Garant but things didn't work out. So I ordered my PM 1030V through QMT just now and paid for it in full before my money disappears again. Now it is just a waiting game for the new machines to arrive. Thanks again to Matt or whoever it was I talked with on the phone. They really do go out of their way to help a guy out. Much appreciate the friendly service and help he offered.

Which is why I have two of Matt's machines. He takes care of his customers.