Parting For Idiots

might want to check and see the gibs on your compound slide are snug, I had this same problem and found if i held the compound wheel
it stopped my compund was set at 30 degress and had enuff slop for it to be pulled out to the left a bit which gave me the same concave you are
discribing,,
 
So here's what I discovered last night while parting a piece of 2" Delrin rod. As everyone here has experienced, my parting tool was taking a trip towards the chuck creating a concave on the chuck side of the work piece and a convex on the tail stock side. After taking all the precautionary measures as outlined in this thread, I decided to focus my attention on how the parting tool was being held in the QC tool post. I came to realize that because the parting tool is tapered, when clamped in the tool holder, the center line of the blade is no longer perpendicular to the ways,
as one face is clamped tight against the vertical flat of the tool holder (imagine the hands of a clock reading twenty five mins past eleven). So here's what I tried.
Loosen the parting tool and clamp it so that the center line of the tool is at 90* to the ways, then made another cut. Voila! A perfectly straight cut through the material.
I just made another trial cut this morning to make sure it wasn't an isolated event. This time I was able to part off a 1mm thick slice of the same Delrin perfectly straight.
Try it out and make sure I'm not blowing hot air.
Cheers,
Ray
 
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I cut a lot of aluminum. My two cents:

1) "Tap Magic Aluminum" is the best cutting fluid I've ever used for aluminum. Better than WD40. I have some plastic applicator bottles with a fine steel needle - get them at Tap Platics, they're made for dispensing acrylic cement (thin as acetone.) I can easily dispense a drop at a time into the slot when parting.

2) The most accurate, easiest centering method (and I've tried several) - Chuck a piece of 1/8" rod in the chuck or tailstock. Bring the parting tool up against it with a thin rigid sheet of something in between (I like using an x-acto blade for this). When the blade is vertical, the cutting edge is perfectly centered.
 
Parting is always a struggle, and speaking for myself, one should seldom use a as parted surface as a finished surface, the finish and accuracy are seldom there, so cut off and reface should be the normal practice. My best luck with parting with HSS is the Tee type HSS blades, I generally use one 1/8" wide. My early experiments with insert carbide parting was not so good, but after years of sacrifice and self denial, I am now able to accomplish it, even on large diameters without lubricant; it does not want to be babied, enough feed to make constant curled chips is necessary; too little feed makes the chips jam up in the cut and disaster is not far behind; the thing is that the chips are deformed narrower than the cut when sufficient feed is applied, and they can freely exit the cut; when insufficient feed is applied, they do not narrow up, and are likely to pile up and bind. In parting steel, I like to use TapFree as the lubricant with HSS tools, with carbide I use Cimcool soluble coolant in water. As I said previously, with the carbide parting inserts, cutting can often be done dry. If the parting tools are not sharp, especially the corners must not be dull, do not expect anything but poor results.
I appreciated the comments regarding the tapered blade type parting tool needing to be adjusted to fit the holder so that there is clearance on both sides of the tool; if one uses this type of tool, perhaps the tool holder should be altered so that the parting tool can lie against the face of the holder and be centered as he suggests. I think using the Tee type tool makes this of little importance, as there is more clearance, especially at the extreme bottom of the tool bit. I have seen parting tools in HSS that have a concave ground in the length of the top of the blade, I assume this acts to narrow the chip so that it can more freely exit the cut, much like the carbide insert tool does.
 
I think that Mike covered it about as well as it can be covered -

Using a lubricant can't possibly be over-emphasized !
Anything is better than nothing; I've used charcoal starter for aluminum, LOL, and have heard of people using bacon grease or milk for copper !

My favorite "universal" is black pipe cutting oil (sulphur based). It's available at local hardware store in pint containers but way more economical to buy from a distributor in one gallon containers.


I like to flood the cut when parting. I used to run a turret lathe. I hate to say it but use a thick blade. The thin ones may tend to flex it they are extended to far. I like to keep lathe tooling as short as possible.
 
Another tip I've used in the past. If the part is hallow or drilled, I use a small brazing rod chucked in a drill chuck in the tailstock to catch the part so I can focus on finishing the parting cut. Good luck
 
Ahh.... parting is such sweet sorrow.

Sorry, guys...need to go to the humor section of another forum...maybe later.

Seriously, all good advice- tool relief, position and rigidity are key.

Doug

Doug, you made me actually laugh aloud! That's perfect!! And true!! Hah hah! You made me wonder why I never thought of that!! Hah hah!

Bernie


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Once you reach center, if you try to cut the "far side", don't forget to reverse the spindle.

......unless doing so would unscrew your chuck!
In this case stop at centre and use another technique to judge "square".
 
Once you reach center, if you try to cut the "far side", don't forget to reverse the spindle.

......unless doing so would unscrew your chuck!
In this case stop at centre and use another technique to judge "square".

Is there any reason he could not cut from the backside with the parting tool inverted to upside down, allowing the normal spindle rotation?
 
Hey planeflyer21,

The original recommendation (in this thread) for cutting thru centre and into the back side was to help judge if the parting tool was 90 degrees to the lathe centre line. If the tool is off angle and cuts on the diagonal towards the head stock for the first half, then it should continue on that same path, and keep removing material from what would essential be a facing cut on the rear half (with spindle set to reverse). So for this discussion the idea of the upside down and backside parting tool doesn't help.

In general however that'll work fine. Search for "back tool-post" it's a real thing.

Some say it's better for parting because the tool then springs out of the work if it "snags" relieving some of the pressure, instead of being wedged between the work and the carriage/bed ways making matters worse.

-brino
 
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