Value Of Mill?

BobSchu

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Looking for a mill but trying to keep it to a fairly tight budget of around $2500 or so.


Saw this one on craigslist but it is a bit of a drive so I would like to not waste the seller's time or mine driving down. The ad says to make an offer. What would be a fair offer for this machine if it is in good shape? What to check for when I look at it- besides the obvious- table play, motor/bearing sounds at speeds, etc...?


Thanks,

Bob



http://portland.craigslist.org/yam/tls/5437684011.html
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the owner isn't going to be interested in parting with the mill and accessories for anything in the neighborhood of 2500.00. I don't know the prices out in your area, but in the midwest I would expect to see the seller asking at least 3500.00 and used machines are plentiful here.
 
That is a reasonable machine, and pretty well dressed. I'd pretty much garantee that it is over your budget. I encourage you to go and look at it, with the expectation that it is unlikely that you will be bringing it home. You can learn a lot about what you would want, what is typically available in your area, what a "fair market" price is - by looking at machines. Internet forums and reading up on machines are a good start, but you have to actually look at machines. With your budget, you are limited to small and/or light duty machines, or used machines (probably both). It is unlikely you will get to be very choosie on the make/model - the only choice will be to take the one on offer, or walk away - and wait for the next one to turn up. Then you get the choice of taking that next machine, or walk away, and so on. You need to be comfortable walking away from a machine - not every deal works out.

I've walked away from at least 2x the number of machines I've purchased, but I learned something from every one of those opportunities.

In otherwords, you need to educate yourself. When you see something that will work for you, buy it immediately. I suggest you don't sweat the price too much. Of course, don't pay more than you have to, but don't be afraid to pay as much as you need to. In the overall scheme of things, whether you pay $2500 or $5000 for that machine, it won't matter at all in 10 years. However, in 10 years you'll still have a pretty nice machine.

I am absolutely a home hobby guy. I way overpaid for my first machine. I spent $10,000 on a 15" lathe (it was a used machine, but still just like new) - that was more than 30 years ago. It is still a very nice machine for my application (not real heavy duty, but a good commercial grade machine). In the past few years, I have bought 3 good milling machines, a very nice little toolroom lathe, two saws and 3 good drill presses - all put together, those machines were about the cost of that first lathe. They nearly all needed some work (some a lot, some very little).

Go look at that machine. You are not wasting your time - you are furthering your education. You are not wasting the seller's time, perhaps it is a deal that would really work for you (let the seller decide if he wants to meet with you - don't decide for him if it is worth his time, that is his decision).

Let us know how it works out. Regards, David
 
It may be worth a bunch or not.

It matters what you wish to pay.

What have similar units been going for?

Assume your budget is 2500 then get 20 hundred dollar bills then hand full of 20 and 50 to make up the difference.

Look at it and spin it up to max rpm as well as slowest.

Check it out fully then do not offer anything but ask what minimum in cash "now" will make it happen.

It could be owner died or divorced or ??? So seller does not know worth.

If price is in budget offer less by pulling out your offer in folding money and see what happens.

If price above budget then do same.

If they do not move thank them for their time and leave your phone number and suggest your wife may spend some so if he cannot find a buyer you will be interested but may not have all the cash....

If no buyers and he is calling you you have advantage...wife spent some so only have less...

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It looks very much like the seller has acquired a new mill and has made a couple quick purchases (parallels, set of end mills, and possibly the set of hold-downs in the red carrier) to "equip" the one he's selling. Not the highest quality, but at least the parallels and hold-downs should be OK. End mills might not last too long. I'd be more concerned that the ad doesn't mention or show any R8 collets. Yes, there are a couple end mill holders, but I'll bet he's keeping the collets for his new mill. Looks like an older 2-axis (X-Y) DRO on the mill, and he added an iGaging scale to the quill (Z).

I have no idea what the seller thinks his mill is worth, but I'd be hesitant to offer any kind of premium price. And as you mentioned, it's a long haul from McM to Hillsburrito ... so the cost of moving the mill should be factored into your negotiations.

Best wishes!
 
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Given that the condition is stated as ''fair'' that indicates to me that there is substantial wear. As @hman stated the DRO is old. From the ad I can't exactly figure out what accessories come with the mill. I see a lot of duplicate equipment there. The only way I know to figure the price on this one is to go look at it and find out what comes with it. Maybe get on the phone with him and get a bit more information. It's only about 40 minutes from you, might be worth a drive down there.
 
If this helps out any . I sold 2 mills last October in Md. An Enco that was mint with 2PFs and Accurite 3 DROs and a VG condition J head BP similary equipped . Sold them locally on CL within 4 days . $2400 and $2800 respectively . I knew the history of the machines and had all original documents to go with them . I believe the mill is reasonably priced but check it out .
 
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I did a quick search on Oregon Craigslist and found a few listings around your budget price.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/tls/5438455214.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/tld/5441114907.htmlhttp://medford.craigslist.org/hvo/5397429635.html
http://medford.craigslist.org/hvo/5397429635.html
A call may let you know what price range they're expecting price wise, but taking a look and making offer doesn't hurt either.
It took me 4 years to find the mill I wanted in the price range I was willing to spend.
 
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