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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    It's hard to tell from the pics. Is there much of a ridge on the underside of the carriage? I would expect that there would be some wear, it's just something you have to allow for when you're cutting. (Unless you take Rich's scraping class). Hows the crossfeed screw and nut? If you screw the nut on and try to move it back and forth, it shouldn't have any slop in it. You can compensate for that when cutting by always taking up the backlash, but you'll find if it has a lot of wear it will be hard to hit the dimensions you're going for by using the dials. Of course you can eliminate that problem by just mounting a dro on it while your in the process of "cleaning" it.

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Great pics Rich!

    Quick comment here- I don't know if it looks dramatically different in person, but I am not convinced that the carriage advance gear is really worn, or just one meant to work with a worm gear, giving it that look.

    Just trying to save you a few bucks up front. Unless it is cheap, then it is good to have around just in case. The plastic gear in the gearbox, related to threading, is worth making more sure about though.

    So you are actually painting it and everything?! Wow, check you out. I only painted my first machine, an Atlas 618. After that I made things mechanically sound and got dirty making chips! Hah hah


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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck K View Post
    It's hard to tell from the pics. Is there much of a ridge on the underside of the carriage? I would expect that there would be some wear, it's just something you have to allow for when you're cutting. (Unless you take Rich's scraping class). Hows the crossfeed screw and nut? If you screw the nut on and try to move it back and forth, it shouldn't have any slop in it. You can compensate for that when cutting by always taking up the backlash, but you'll find if it has a lot of wear it will be hard to hit the dimensions you're going for by using the dials. Of course you can eliminate that problem by just mounting a dro on it while your in the process of "cleaning" it.

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    I'll follow up with pics layer... it does not feel like an edge to me. I ran my fingernail across it. The half nut for the compound and the cross feel pretty
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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Hey Bernie!
    sorry this cell phone is horrible at editing posts... not sure why I was able to quote chucks post but not yours. I suspect its length of post.

    I'll post up pics later of the lead screw gear it looks pretty worn to me.

    As for cleaning and painting... that's a personal thing. The rustuleum enamel paint provides a great surface to clean and it looks good lol

    Btw the price of the gears are darn reasonable compared Toronto
    Rockwell parts lol
    Metal wrm gear 84 dollars.
    Brass lead screw gear 77 dollars
    plastic change gear 96 dollars
    As the budget allows I'll probably pick up all 3 over the next few months

    Hey chuck
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    Meant to mention I already have the dro.

    Thanks for the help guys

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Here are some pics, the carriage, and the lead screw gear on the apron.
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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    They all look pretty damn nice to me!
    That gear doesn't look wrong to me either.


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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Hmmm. not so sure about the worm gear... for 77.00 dollars, I might just splurge on this one The rest of the machine appears to be in order though... until I uncover something else
    I might at some point pick up Rich Kings video on scrapping, a free machine seems to be the likely candidate your learning some new techniques, but that would be down the road some.

    I appreciate your input Bernie, helps to keep the focus and having more than just my own knowledge base to draw from (in my case I have zero experience with these types of things)

    Peace!

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    I'd have to agree with Bernie....Don't see anything wrong there. The carriage ways are nice. The gear has normal wear on it. Plenty of things to spend money on without replacing parts that don't need replacing. Normally I would say the buying the lathe is just the down payment (but you didn't make the down payment), now you have to spend the real money on all the tooling and fixtures, and measuring devices that go along with it. It's kind of hard to tell from a pic though. It might be worse than it appears in the pic.

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    I did a job interview this morning, magnetic resonance technology, degausing technology. Position for a test engineer and field engineer, i think it went well... crossing my fingers here.

    ok guys, I definitely value your experience,, i hope you do not hold this against me, i think i am going to order this and the idler gear for the change gear box. I will keep the old gears as backups.... agreed, i have to purchase many other things yet, metal, some cutters top of the list. Budgets constraints will be less in the near future if the job pans out and after the annuit loan goes thru in a couple of weeks.

    Anyone know how to remove the d1-4 adapter from the gearhead case? I want to remove as many of the external pieces as possible so i can get a good clean surface for sanding and painting.

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Unless you have a parts breakdown that shows different, I believe it is standard that what you want to remove is actually integral with the spindle.

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Wells View Post
    Unless you have a parts breakdown that shows different, I believe it is standard that what you want to remove is actually integral with the spindle.
    ouch. i was not wanting to hear that. im not able to determine from the drawings. visual inspection does look like you are correct. thanks for confirmation. rich
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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Masking tape!
    I wouldn't remove it from a working lathe unless I really had to


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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Masking tape is your friend in this case. The spindle has to come out to get what is shown in the Jet breakdown as the front cover. Don't go there if you don't have to.
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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Got cha covered guys.
    As soon as Tony mentioned spindel... not going there.... not this time thru

    I've stripped her down as far as I feel comfortable for now. Lots of sanding and priming before color.

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Girlfriend stopped by yesterday, we ended up not working on the lathe...
    i have a good deal of the lathe in primer. I am goingmto paint all the pieces today so that tomorrow i can put them on the bed and lift her off the cabinet. I am afraid rightmnow she will be off balanced and not lift well with the gantry and chain hoist.

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    well you know where all the weight is. . . . is there not a cover on the top with some decent size bolts that could be used to keep the head end from trying to rotate ? I would certainly make some sort of spreader chain or chain and straps, more is probably best. . . . . nice looking lathe, and I agree with others that the wear on the brass worm gear is pretty minimal. keep the pictures coming. . get your lady friend to help with the brushing. .

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Quote Originally Posted by richl View Post
    ]i wrote an email to enco about the plastic gear in the gear change... i think it is the bull gear, as some refermto it as the sacrificial gear.
    If you can't get parts out of Enco, try Grizzly.

    Your lathe shares the same basic characteristics with the Grizzly G4003, which have been around forever, and have good parts availability. Same lathe except for spacers for spindle height and bed way length.

    You can order the parts online, and will probably fit perfect.

    http://www.grizzly.com/products/g4003/parts

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Quote Originally Posted by tmarks11 View Post
    If you can't get parts out of Enco, try Grizzly.

    Your lathe shares the same basic characteristics with the Grizzly G4003, which have been around forever, and have good parts availability. Same lathe except for spacers for spindle height and bed way length.

    You can order the parts online, and will probably fit perfect.

    http://www.grizzly.com/products/g4003/parts
    thanks tmarks! I've been meaning to take a look at their equipment and seeing which lathes were the same as mine, that saves me some work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidh View Post
    well you know where all the weight is. . . . is there not a cover on the top with some decent size bolts that could be used to keep the head end from trying to rotate ? I would certainly make some sort of spreader chain or chain and straps, more is probably best. . . . . nice looking lathe, and I agree with others that the wear on the brass worm gear is pretty minimal. keep the pictures coming. . get your lady friend to help with the brushing. .
    i have ruined a couple ofmpairs of pants working on this guy... can't imagine getting tina to touch it
    i keep thinking it has all the oil removed by now

    cabinet and lathe were seperated last night, so hopefully i have ruined my last pair of pants.20130928_212009.jpg20130928_211955.jpgpictures were taken in a dark garage 9:30 last night
    thanks for looking

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Home stretch. Sanded, primed and painted the cabinets yesterday, by evening I put all the pieces together.
    I had one mishap the cable out of the controlbox that goes to the sa1 switch which controls the forward and reverse of the carriage during threading.
    Anyone want to get a clear picture of their box and upload it....

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Ok, switch in question is an hz5b 10/2 d009 this is s high power switch used to control the forward and reverse of the carriage. It has 8 terminals, 4 switch positions. I can't dl PDF files with this phone, so I'll get it tomorrow. On wifi.
    I am putting this here in case someone with an older grizzly enco or other Chinese brand 4003 or encourage 13x40 lathe has a carriage select problem... this is likely the piece. I found the grizzly. And enco numbers I'll post them tomorrow

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Quote Originally Posted by richl View Post
    Ok, switch in question is an hz5b 10/2 d009 this is s high power switch used to control the forward and treverse of the carriage. It has8 terminals, 4 witch positions. I can't dl PDF files with this phone, so I'll get it tomorrow. On wifi.
    I am putting this here in case someone with an older grizzly encourage or other Chinese brand 4003 or encourage 13x40 lathe has a carriage select problem... this is likely the piece. I found the grizzly. And encourage numbers I'll post them tomorrow

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    For those reading- Rich's phone is changing "Enco" to "encourage". Took me a minute



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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Quote Originally Posted by richl View Post
    Ok, switch in question is an hz5b 10/2 d009 this is s high power switch used to control the forward and treverse of the carriage. It has8 terminals, 4 witch positions. I can't dl PDF files with this phone, so I'll get it tomorrow. On wifi.
    I am putting this here in case someone with an older grizzly encourage or other Chinese brand 4003 or encourage 13x40 lathe has a carriage select problem... this is likely the piece. I found the grizzly. And encourage numbers I'll post them tomorrow

    Rich
    What happened to the switch? Just unplugged? Or damaged?

    Otherwise looking great man!


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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Wow! You did an amazing finishing job, Rich! Looking forward to seeing it run!

    Bernie, I was wondering about the switch, too, as well as Enco/encourage...
    Thanks,
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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    My phone spell checks enco to encourage if I do not correct it.
    My switch should be good, no telling yet, still working my way thru the electric. When I did a search for the part and the pinouts I ran into a thread which had several users of grizzly and enco lathes that had bad switches and were looking for cross reference parts.... figured would be nice to put them here also
    Always nice to leave a path for those behind to follow.

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Cudos to grizzly for making such a well thought out and informative manual for their 4002/4003 series machines. Lots of great information on the operation of the machine as well as detailed wiring diagrams, the wire colors are different but the switch pinouts and the terminals are the same so it is just a simple matter of hooking up what goes to the propernterminal! Thanks grizzly!

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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    About time there was a good circuit diagram!
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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    she is alive!
    I found a metal " middle gear" as it is referred to in the grizzly manual. As a temp solution I'll use this one, it will also serve as a pattern to make some plastic gears.
    I need to pick up 6 quarts of iso 68 gear oil and some way oil, than hopefully fine tune and then make some chips the fun part is almost ready to begin.

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