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found an enco 13"x40" lathe

Discussion in 'JET, ENCO & RONG FU IMPORTS' started by richl, Sep 19, 2013.

  1. richl

    richl United States Active User Active Member

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    found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    My friend bernie alerted me to an add on another forum advertising a "possibly free" lathe... so i thought i would give it a shot, they were only 20 minutes from my house:))
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    oh! my bad:lmao: thats the lathe that is replacing the one they are giving me:rofl:
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    all in all, not a bad find. she needs a good cleaning, a vfd, the x axis on the dro seems to need some attention. they mentioned it was around 4 thousandths out in runout... i think she is due for a good checkup.

    thanks for looking

    rich

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  2. Rbeckett

    Rbeckett Platinum Rest In Peace

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    Hey if they gave it to you for free you got the ultimate deal. The QCTP and other accessories combined with the machine would bave been a 800+ and up dollar investment down here. Congrats.

    Bob
     
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    Re: found an enco 13"x40" lathe

    Rich that's fantastic!! All I know is you're lucky my garage is too full already!! Hah hah!!

    All seriousness, you are TOTALLY hooked up man! Look at all those accessories! You are set!!

    Here is a link to a PDF of the manual

    http://www.use-enco.com/Machinery/110-1351.pdf

    Here is a link to what looks like closest equivelant current machine:

    http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPAGE?PMPAGE=/specials/510-2585


    It looks like a cam lock (D1) style spindle? You are HOOKED UP!!!
    I'm glad you have it!
    Just the accessories alone are worth a bunch of $$


    Bernie
     
  4. richl

    richl United States Active User Active Member

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    Thanks Bernie! Ya hooked me up real good :)
    I waited there as patiently.as can be for 2.5 hours till this girl finally was lifted out of the basement. That was the first time I saw the lathe. Before that I had only seen some bad cell phone photos.
    it will take some work to clean her. Up and make all the adjustments to get her running like new again. A vfd and possibly new scales for.the drop.
    Today was better than any çhristmas I have ever had. Vbg
    Rich
     
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    itsme_Bernie United States Active User Active Member

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    LOVE it. I know what you mean- Cabin Fever Expo was like my Christmas in January (until they moved it to April :)

    Bernie
     
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    Rich,

    Congratulations! Looks great and the accessories, as many have mentioned, are gold! Free is the ultimate good price, especially when it's working and only needs a few minor tweaks! I'm looking forward to seeing it!
    :goodjob2:

    BTW... how long did it take you to get it off the trailer and into the garage?
     
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    richl United States Active User Active Member

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    Hey Charlie
    I did not get it home till after 3pm... by the time I inventoried my material to build a gantry Crane it was getting late. It will probably take another couple of hours to finish the Crane and pull it off the trailor. Than I need to build a rolling Dolly to put her in place.

    Thanks for stopping by and taking a look.
     
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    How's it going Rich? :)


    Bernie
     
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    richl United States Active User Active Member

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    She's in the garage. I had to build a Dolly and winch her in and the a frame to get her outta the trailer and onto the Dolly. I do anymore big machines and I am set. Pics to follow.

    Rich
     
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    WhaHooo! We gotta have the next NJ meet by you and help you get all these machines runnin


    Bernie
     
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    the extras alone are worth free! NICE find tell yourfriend I want to be his friend too.
     
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    itsmebernie was the guy, very friendly and approachable guy :))

    More pics ofthe move, i had to fabricate an a frame to pull here outta the uhaul trailer. Just some basic 1.5" pipe .083, the cross beam are 3 2x6 lumber. They were more than capable of lifting1400lbs outta the trailer:holdphone: 20130920_155252.jpg 20130920_135407.jpg next up, build a dolly to carry the machine in the garage
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    Man, congratulations on that free lathe! What a sweet deal! I wish there were entities giving away free Encos here in the DFW area. At the moment, all Encos for free cost about $3600 ;-)

    Enjoy your new toy!
     
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    Bernie,

    Exactly what I was thinking!

    :idea:
    Charlie
     
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    I would have at least offered a $100 or 2 to the owner's favorite charity. But that's just me!
     
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    i probably will down the road... this was a large company looking to get rid of a problem, there were others that were willing to give them money for the machine, but they wanted to see it before offering a number and than there was the scheduling with the riggers. In the end, my deal appealed to them the most, i wasnwilling to work with whatever time they wanted me there. I had no idea what i was getting. till the rigger lifted it out of the basement and i saw it i had no idea of the condition or what the assesories were...

    broke as i am right now, free was all i could afford, i chalk this one up to just being in the right place at the right time,

    she is really in need of lots of elbow grease, whatever they were working with left a hard plasticy residue over everything:thinking: the cross slide has about12 thousandeths of runout and the compound rest about 5 thousandths. ipulled off the head stock cover and found a pile of aluminium shavings... not sure if that means trouble or that they had just used her with the cover of at some point:thinking:
    money is short right now so elbow greas, hard work is about all i will be able to put into this for the next few weeks.

    By than i'll have some idea what to do with her... presently i have a full rebuild in progress with an old rockwell lathe, and my southbend mill is a work in progress :))

    peace
    rich
     
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    I'm sure you'll enjoy that lathe if you've never owned one before. My question regards the gantry you put together. I can't tell what's supporting the wooden beams. It looks like you have a vertical piece of unistrut on each side actually doing the supporting, and the two pipes on each side those just keep the unistrut from tilting front or back. In addition, it looks like you just have things held together with pipe clamps. Is that really how you did it?
     
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    Rich-

    Do you have 220 or a panel in your garage? I think I have some extra 10 gauge wire to get your machines running

    Bernie
     
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    Rich-

    Do you have 220 or a panel in your garage? I think I have some extra 10 gauge wire to get your machines running

    Bernie
     
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    Never under estimate the power of pony pipe clamps. I have usedthem for structural framing of wood and metal system, boatbuilding, cabinet making, bike building...you name it.
    the a frame is the standard 2 legs for the sides the 1400lbs load was a concern so I ran an additional down leg. There are 3 horizontal angles 1 10" down from the top to support the triple 2x6 beam. I nailed 2 beams together to make them lighter and more portable. The third beam is clamped to them. 2 clamps are used on each end of the beam. 2' down from that angle is another, I put it there for more angle support for the beam... I was a bit concerned about the load on the beam. The final angle is at ground level. All this is further supported by a kicker which was clamped to a center legthan run to a 14 GA angle which was attached with lead shields to my driveway. The a frame made not a sound when under load. Solid as a rock.only a very final amount of vertical deflection on the beam. And the pieces easily store away.

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    Likely residue from the cutting oils. May wash off with water if it was originally water bourne stuff.

    No matter what - you have to love free!
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    I have a sub panel. I think I can run a single 220 line and 2 possibly 3 110 circuis assuming I don't run everything at once hehehe



    I should purchase some conduit and finally tighten up some of the garage lol

    I will be posting a bunch of cleaning pics I look today... tomorrow she is one dirty girl. Lol

    Rich
     
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    Free is good. Wd40 and a paint scraper worked a treat. I'll be doing more tomorrow yea!!!

    Rich
     
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    Slowly working this puppy, she is one little "dirty girl":)) she is covered in swarf, in 35 years as a commercial carpenter i never got so many metal splinters:lmao:
    bag it and label are the words of wisdom for the day, some pics of yesterdays adventure 20130921_114235.jpg 20130921_161157.jpg 20130921_161212.jpg 20130921_172400.jpg 20130921_172334.jpg 20130921_161447.jpg 20130921_161307.jpg 20130921_153833.jpg 20130921_153547.jpg 20130921_114752.jpg 20130921_172305.jpg

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    OK. Now I understand. I downloaded the full size pictures and I can see better what you made. I couldn't see the cross braces welded to the pipes. The pony clamps were just to keep the cross beam aligned and for outrigger support. Pipes like that are not readily available in my area (or if available, probably not cheap). So far I've been successful using my Harbor Freight shop crane to lift things out of my pickup, but if I ever have to move my Bridgeport again or load a trailer, I'd probably make a wooden A frame gantry with 4x4 legs.
     
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    Hey rwl
    the pipe is just conduit, any electrical supply house will have it. 1.5" should be 10 dollars for a 10' PC's. 2" will go for 15 per. If You have the welder its a more long term solution

    Cool deal

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    You won't get any argument about Asian or old American iron on this deal.....If its free it's for me. Great find. I love it when somebody just wants something out their way. Looks like you got everything you need to start making chips. Christmas came early in your neck of the woods this year.

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    thanks chuck!
    Tearing her down and making her all pretty again:))
    This is dirty, thankless work:phew:
    The difference already is pretty good. The further into her i dig, the more i am feeling she was not abused, used hard and for her intended purposes, but not abused. The gear oil is clean, the gears appear to show no visible wear. The ways are as smooth as glass. Her problems tend to be the ergonomics, buttons broken, handles loose or broken, plates needing cleaning and possibly some polishing.
    i wrote an email to enco about the plastic gear in the gear change... i think it is the bull gear, as some refermto it as the sacrificial gear. It was not broken, but when you turnednthe chuck it bumped in a couple of spots and the gear did show signs of wear (EDGES WERE WORN OF CHIPPEDED). Hopefully i hear from them soon.

    Because my memory is getting so bad, i did a reassembly of the cleaned, sanded and primed pieces:)) she is starting to take shape.

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    Rich, It looks like you're going all the way with your "cleaning". LOL. It's funny how a thorough cleaning turns into a complete paint job. If it's a keeper, it's well worth it. When you get done with it you'll be familiar with every part in it. The bull gear is inside the headstock. It's the big gear directly behind the chuck on the spindle. I've seen posts about the plastic gear on the back of the machine. I think some people change it to a metal gear. It is going to come into play when you're threading, so you do want something that is in good shape there. The ways on that machine are probably hardened so the wear would show up on the bottom of the carriage. Looking at the general condition of the lathe it seems doubtful that the wear in the carriage is real bad. Keep the pics coming.

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    Thanks for the info chuck!
    I have been looking at the carriage, cross slide and compound rest since i got her. The compound and cross slide were a bit stiff, so i was anxious to see what was in there. The manual does not cover disassembly, so i was on my own. It took alittle time to work the carriage off the ways, the bolts i needed to remove were covered in swarf, gunk, grease :whiteflag:
    ...but in the end everything came apart and clean up well. I put it all back together just to get familiar with the process. Looks like the apron will need a new gear, she is part of the x carriage travel... not sure of the name or the number, the manual is vague here, i need to call enco on this one. They emailed me yesterday on the pastic gear... just have to send them the money:)). There are a couple other gears that look a bit worn... not sure what to do with them yet... I know where they are and how to get to them now:rofl:
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    I think she is a keeper, :whistle: she may not be as perfect as i had hoped, she has some warts for sure, but like you mention, i will know them all and how to fix them, so that is something:)). funny how a little cleaning does turn into something much much larger than originally intended:roflmao: in the end the effort and money spentshould be well spent.

    rich

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