Milling Lever Lock Picks from Single Piece of Steel?

You should take a look at gun drills and gun drilling. They are made for drilling holes with very high L/D ratios. Otherwise, you will need to drill past the flutes and clear them often with a regular twist drill. One problem with regular twist drills is that they don't tend to drill stright on very deep holes, so if that is a requirement, then the gun drills are the way to go. That not drilling quite straight may be a problem with going from both ends, they may not meet as well as you need in the middle. It's quite a problem you have. If not a lot of strenght is required, could you mill a half round in two flat pieces with a ball end mill and silver or soft solder them together, forming a hole in the process? You could smoke the hole halfs before soldering to prevent the silver solder fouling the hole (use a candle or accetalyne, solder tends not to stick to carbon). Then machine your tool around the hole.
 
What type steel did you use , if it were mine I'd try to use a type that can be hardened. A case hardened steel would be tuff yet giving ,, hard on the outside . Just my thought on a very nice job of machining , my luck after I made it it would bend like mushy spaghetti . Really is a great job you made a tool and saved tons of money . I'd bet some fellow locksmiths would be willing to buy some . If I were in that field I would .
 
Hi there is another thread that was just started recently dealing with the same issue that may help a bit.

https://www.hobby-machinist.com/threads/drilling-boring-a-deep-hole.68379/

They do make Aircraft drill bits that are 6" long, but the flutes are only about 1" long for 1/16" so it would be a lot of pecking.

David
You should take a look at gun drills and gun drilling. They are made for drilling holes with very high L/D ratios. Otherwise, you will need to drill past the flutes and clear them often with a regular twist drill. One problem with regular twist drills is that they don't tend to drill stright on very deep holes, so if that is a requirement, then the gun drills are the way to go. That not drilling quite straight may be a problem with going from both ends, they may not meet as well as you need in the middle. It's quite a problem you have. If not a lot of strenght is required, could you mill a half round in two flat pieces with a ball end mill and silver or soft solder them together, forming a hole in the process? You could smoke the hole halfs before soldering to prevent the silver solder fouling the hole (use a candle or accetalyne, solder tends not to stick to carbon). Then machine your tool around the hole.

Thanks for all the replies guys. I read through the article and did some research on gun drills. I still need to do more research into gun drilling but so far that seems like the best option, though it appears the setup may be expensive. It looks like the setup might cost around $1500 to get started unless there are cheaper options for the spray mist kit and other accessories. I still need to look around more but the smallest diameter gun drill bit I found was 1mm. If I want to build tools for many of the modern high security disc-detainer locks I will need to drill holes that small or possibley smaller.

As for now I did drill the 1.5mm hole through just the front portion of the tool. I was able to get about 1/4" past the flutes as well. I ordered some longer aircraft drill bits but they probably won't arrive for a week or more. I may try drilling the back half of the tool tonight with maybe a 1.7mm drill bit in case the holes don't lineup perfectly and to get the extra length I need. While I wait for the longer drill bits I may start building a second tool.

What type steel did you use , if it were mine I'd try to use a type that can be hardened. A case hardened steel would be tuff yet giving ,, hard on the outside . Just my thought on a very nice job of machining , my luck after I made it it would bend like mushy spaghetti . Really is a great job you made a tool and saved tons of money . I'd bet some fellow locksmiths would be willing to buy some . If I were in that field I would .


I have been using 1144 steel for this tool and the Abloy Classic tool as well. Honestly I know nothing about types of steel/heat treating, that is something I need to do more research on as well. When I'm picking the lock I haven't encountered any issues with bending or breaking yet, the tool even rolled off my desk and stayed perfectly straight. I have gotten a few inquires regarding purchase of the first tool already, eventually I'll likely sell a few to make back some of the cost of tooling. There are very limited suppliers for these sort of tools, and many are not available to the general public.

Another lock tool maker mentioned that he heat treats his tools and that is something I am very interested in. I am willing to build a small forge and get a pyrometer to accurately reach temps but don't really know what steel to use or where to start. You can see from the pictures how thin everything needs to be, and to gain any amount of strength would be a huge bonus.



Here are some pictures showing some of things I've done since my last post..

Pick portion of the tool turned down to about 2.8mm. The hole I drilled is about 1/4" short of reaching the end of the 2.8mm diameter shaft.
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I was nervous to machine this part so I did it by hand. The thickness of the picking tip need to be less than .019". I placed the tip in between two .018" feeler gauge and filed it down to size on top of a parallel. (In hindsight I should have held the piece in the drill chuck of the mill so that it could be held perfectly straight.) I may need to make this part thinner, the thinner the tip the easier it is to move in between the discs of the lock while picking.

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This is what I have now. Everything is pretty much done, just need to drill the back half of the pick portion, cut to size, and make handles.
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I think eventually I will need to get a dividing head to make perfectly accurate depth/space markings on the handles. In this lock there are 7 depths in 15 degree increments. The least expensive dividing head I've found is about $280. I think it would fit on the mini mill but I'm still hesitant on the purchase.
 
I wanted to post an update on the DiskLock tool and ask a question regarding heat treating.

About a month ago now I finished the first tool for the DiskLock that was able to open the lock. There were some things about that I wanted to change so I ended up machining a second tool. Of the three tools I've made I'm really happy with how this most recent one turned out.

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Closeups of the second tool
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Diameter of the tension shaft is 1.8mm. The first tool I made the diameter was 1.3mm. The added thickness allows for more torque to be applied along with preventing the set screw from slipping.
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The handles of the tool now slide into each other. It was my intention to add depth/space markings but I had trouble fitting my rotary table to the mill. Last week I ordered the 4" Sherline Rotary table with 4 jaw chuck which should better fit the mini mill.
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This was my very first time trying a knurling tool on the lathe. The knurls are far from perfect but I like how they make the finished tool look and give the handle much more grip
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Abloy DiskLock Picked!
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Now I know this is not technically machining but I figured you guys would still know a lot more about then me. I am trying to figure out what type of steels would work best for heat treating in these sort of lock picking tools. As you can see from my previous posts the tools need to be very thin, in some cases as thin as .040" in diameter. The more torque that can be applied to these thin diameters the better and easier it is to pick the lock. I think the most important qualities in steel that I'm looking for are strength and machineability.

Every time I search for info regarding heat treating I am led to websites that are about knife making. I'm not sure if the same types of steel that make a good knife would make a good lock picking tool. So far everything I've used for these tools has been 1144 cold drawn stress proof rod. I am willing to build a small forge and purchase a pyrometer but I don't know what types of steel I should try. The diameters and lengths of steel I would be purchasing are very small so cost really isn't an issue.

Does anybody have any recommendations of types of steel I could try heat treating?




Thanks,
Sam
 
No worries, hardening metal is totally a machinist related question. I would try O1 Drill rod, it is readily available and heat treatable. You must first oil quench the heated steel then temper it to the desired hardness.
 
I agree that O1 is a good first choice to try. It is more forgiving of home heat treating variations.
One thing that happens during heat treating especially during the quench is distortion. Your nice straight rods may end up bowed.
If they cannot be straightened with a little gentle persuasion after the fact, you will need to choose a steel that uses a less drastic quench.
That means Air hardening steels. A6 is one such animal.
The temperature and time requirements to properly heat treat these steels is way beyond the heat it red with a torch and swish it around in a bucket of oil. If you have to go here you would be time and money ahead to let a heat treating shop do it for you.
 
Sam for some of your straight pins with a head, I wonder if a straight ejector pin would work. They have heads that can be machined and long straight tough shafts. They come in a wider range of configurations. They are used in the construction of plastic injection moulds.

David
 
This topic is of interest to me as I'm also a locksmith.

I started my locksmith apprenticeship with Chubb in Wellington NZ and then came to Vancouver and worked for them for another 5 years before starting my own business.
I am very familiar with the old Chubb safe locks and find very few locksmiths in North America exposed to these types of locks.

I'll be building a few specialized tools for the locksmith side of our business as well, so this is great to see what you are doing.

Cheers,

David.
 
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