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I'd love to have an 8n I have a 1946 2n that I've been very slowly restoring. The lack of live hydraulics is a real PITA, but there's a little gizmo that you can rig to take care of that when mowing or grading.
Mike, What's the gizmo?
 

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Mike, What's the gizmo?
It's called a Zane Thang from Zane Sherman at Yesterday's Tractors and it's a fairly simple mechanical connection between one of the lifting arms and the control quadrant. Heres a link to the description, although it's very old and I didn't pay as much as is listed here. http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/nboard/messages/865639.html It's actually so simple that he asks that no one posts pictures of it. :) Works very well.
 

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It's called a Zane Thang from Zane Sherman at Yesterday's Tractors and it's a fairly simple mechanical connection between one of the lifting arms and the control quadrant. Heres a link to the description, although it's very old and I didn't pay as much as is listed here. http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/nboard/messages/865639.html It's actually so simple that he asks that no one posts pictures of it. :) Works very well.
Thanks, Mike. It sounds like it operates similar to the constant draft control. I have struggled with the lack of live hydraulics and PTO on my 8N for some 40 years. We finally got a Nor Trac with live PTO and full hydraulics. Much more convenient although it doesn't have the maneuverability of the 8N.

I had toyed with the idea of tapping into the hydraulic system on the 8N to operate a hydraulic top link, the purpose to make a small dump bucket, but never followed through. I also worked on a design to make a trip mechanism for the top link. The mechanism would be reset by lowering the arms.
 

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Thanks, Mike. It sounds like it operates similar to the constant draft control. I have struggled with the lack of live hydraulics and PTO on my 8N for some 40 years. We finally got a Nor Trac with live PTO and full hydraulics. Much more convenient although it doesn't have the maneuverability of the 8N.

I had toyed with the idea of tapping into the hydraulic system on the 8N to operate a hydraulic top link, the purpose to make a small dump bucket, but never followed through. I also worked on a design to make a trip mechanism for the top link. The mechanism would be reset by lowering the arms.
I'm not sure how the 8N is set up, but I do know that the 9N/2N has a test port on the side that some people (including the PO of mine) have used to drive extra hydraulics. On mine at least, this is considered to NOT be a good thing to do, so you might want to double check for your tractor.
 

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The test port is in the same location on the 8N. It appears that the control arm regulates the flow of fluid into the pump so you can't really isolate the the port from the three point. I had never actually tried it and now have no reason to want to do that. It would be kludgey at best.

My reason for doing so was to be able to dump the box mentioned in post #3. At the time, I used it for cutting and hauling firewood and it would have saved me the bother of unloading by hand. With the Nor Trac, I have a front end loader so I don't need that capability at present. At some point though, I will build another box for the Nor Trac and I have purchased a cylinder for that purpose. The Nor Trac has two external hydraulic circuits which simplifies matters.

But I still like my little 8N! I have hauled hundreds of cords of firewood and over a hundred deer out of some pretty rough terrain with it.
 

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I have a 2N that I am about half way in on switching the motor to a chevy 4.3L v6. There is a guy on the internet who sells the adapter to mount the engine, adds quite a bit of hp without extending the tractor so all the tin is the same.
 

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I have a 2N that I am about half way in on switching the motor to a chevy 4.3L v6. There is a guy on the internet who sells the adapter to mount the engine, adds quite a bit of hp without extending the tractor so all the tin is the same.
I (and others I suspect) would enjoy some pictures and descriptions of that project.
 

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I'll make a note to update when I get a chance to get more done on it. Preoccupied with my new American Pacemaker 14x54 lathe, a trip to the ocean for the next week and at some point getting the new house built...
 

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I have a 2N that I am about half way in on switching the motor to a chevy 4.3L v6. There is a guy on the internet who sells the adapter to mount the engine, adds quite a bit of hp without extending the tractor so all the tin is the same.
That would be more than 10X the horsepower! Are you sure the rest of the drive train is up to the task?

Back in the late seventies, I replaced the 235 c.i. straight six in a 1962 3/4t. stepside Chevy pickup with a Buick 364 c.i. V8, It doubled the h.p. and with the OEM four speed, it would just about climb trees. I made my own adapter for the bell housing as well as the adapter for the crankshaft. I over-revved the engine passing a gravel truck on a grade and threw a rod. Should of never down shifted.
 

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I know! Sweet right?! We have near 1/2 mile x 1 mile that we maintain and the Case 830 LP is ok, but it is very difficult to get into the orchard or near things with a tractor that is nearly 3 stories tall (exaggerated) with a loader that likes to knock trees over and grab things like house siding. The Ford 2N will never do anything but pull either a 6' brush hog or 6' finish mower. I am not going to do anything else with this lil tractor, so I am not worried about hurting the drivetrain with the horsepower. I think of it similar to the toys I build (see profile pic or Google: Premier Trikes), the LS1 has way too many hp for the small s-10 differential, but with less traction and weight. I won't destroy my differential until I actually cause the hp to work against the gears, which due to tire slip and weight I cannot do. Although I scared the crap out of myself once, gave a ride to my close friend's little brother and his now wife who are twice my size each, pulled the front tire off the ground in a turn and immediately regretted gunning her at that moment, won't ever push the motor hard with extra weight. Reminded me of the day at the lake (A VERY DEEP LAKE) when I had his other brother (400lbs ish at the time) in the nose of my boat and pulled the power back to protect the down skier and took a wave over the bow. we were instantly in mid-shin deep water INSIDE my 20' inboard/outboard boat. That was scary as we were running all 3 bilge pumps, using coolers to bale water and trying to get to shore as quick as possible. In the end, it took out my starter and ended our day at the lake.
 
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I have a 2N that I am about half way in on switching the motor to a chevy 4.3L v6. There is a guy on the internet who sells the adapter to mount the engine, adds quite a bit of hp without extending the tractor so all the tin is the same.
Several years ago, a neighbor had too many whiskey tickets and lost his license. he put a flat head ford V8 on an 8N (that bolts right up) and used it to drive to town. Kinda weird seeing an 8N going 60 mph down the highway.
 

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If I ran my 8N at 60 mph, it would probably flip over. 60 mph on a tractor would certainly attract the authorities. Aside from that, at 60 mph, that engine will be turning almost 9,000 rpm with a stock drive train.
 

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I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT PEOPLE SEE IN THE 8N TRACTORS, FIRST GEAR IS TO HIGH, SECOND IS WORTHLESS AND THIRD IS TO SLOW TO MOVE DOWN THE ROAD, HARD STARTING EVEN WHEN CONVERTED TO 12V, I WOULD FIX UP AND SELL TO THE NEXT FOOL WANTING ONE AND BUY A MASSEY FERGUSON.
 

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I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT PEOPLE SEE IN THE 8N TRACTORS, FIRST GEAR IS TO HIGH, SECOND IS WORTHLESS AND THIRD IS TO SLOW TO MOVE DOWN THE ROAD, HARD STARTING EVEN WHEN CONVERTED TO 12V, I WOULD FIX UP AND SELL TO THE NEXT FOOL WANTING ONE AND BUY A MASSEY FERGUSON.
8N's have four speeds plus reverse. I used to run in second gear for plowing and cultivating, third gear for the brush hog, mowing, pulling the hay baler, and plowing snow. Fourth gear moved me down the road at 14 mph, about as fast as I would want to go on a tractor. First gear was used for pulling logs and such.

IMO, the 8N was and is a great little tractor. I have had mine for 45 years now. Its wide front end and low center of gravity permits negotiating some pretty steep slopes. The major drawback was lack of full time PTO and hydraulics. It is popular with people with small tracts of land who want something to plow snow, mow the field, and generally cart things around.
 
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