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About to bite the bullet and put a DRO on my 8520. Is one of these better than the other? I read Yuri's account of them but it's a little dated I think and the new igaging scales are stainless also. The accuremote is certainly cheaper but do their controllers work as well as the igaging? The igaging seems to have more reviews on this board than the others.

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Neither. I would buy Chinese glass scales instead. They are compatible with Yuri's software and are much better scales for not much more cost, and are supplied in custom sizes at no additional cost. Glass scales are referred to as "quadrature" in Yuri's software discussions.
 

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+1 to what Bob sez.
Remember the saying - "Bob's you Uncle" :grin:

It is the path have been wanting to take for over a year, as soon as I can squeeze it out of the budget.
 

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Digital scales with remote displays can be a useful and cost effective first move, it was the use of digital scales without remote displays which convinced me that I should get a DRO but I skipped the remote displays for them as digital scales are still not a DRO unless you are connecting them to an intelligent head unit.
With a DRO you will have 200 or so zero settings, a large illuminated display and a variety of useful functions for Mill or Lathe.
 

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My original plan was to use the iGaging scales with touchDRO. The Chinese scales are more accurate, and more reliable than the iGaging. They also come in cheaper if you include the touchDRO adapter board. I didn't include the tablet as I have a spare I can use. I'm just waiting for the lathe to get here so I can take measurements before ordering. And if I hate the display unit I can still get the adapter later.

I was thinking of doing a 3-axis with the tailstock being the 3rd. I figure it would be nice to have all the common measurements in one place.
 

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The easy way to get Yuri's software up and running is to buy this:
http://blu-dro.com/
It does cost more than putting your own together, but is is plug and play.

I personally think that Yuri's software is good stuff, and BluDRO is said to work well, but for the total cost of it you can pretty much buy a Chinese DRO with all the bells and whistles, ready to install. The dedicated package has lots more options, is more useful, and even the standard ones are glass scales, .005mm (.0002") resolution, over the entire length of the travel. Even higher resolution is optional for each scale for not much more cost. Magnetic or glass scales are also options. I find the bigger Chinese sellers to be at least as good and reliable as buying from Amazon, and WAY better than buying from individual sellers off eBay.
 

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I've had nothing but good luck with igaging. I first put a $35 direct reading DRO meant for routers on the Z axis on my RF30 and was stunned it was so accurate. Meanwhile the kits kept coming down in price and the remotes kept getting nicer. I ended up getting https://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Re...107663?hash=item21113ca44f:g:ucUAAOSwzJ5XVi4o and couldn't be happier.

It's all what your goal is. I'm happy with .001 accuracy. If you need .0001 accuracy, yeah MAYBE the nicer setups will give you that. I say maybe because when I asked about some ideas at install here in the forums many posted links to installs. Those links helped me feel better about my choice as one guy installed the magnetic scale kit from a US importer and did an incredible job. And also documented his test sequence, and ended up with something like .006" error in 6"! And this on a unit that cost 10x what the igaging does. After install, I checked mine and it had -.001 at 6" and returned to 0 perfect in the X and Y. And no error on the Z. If you just want to get your toes wet, for $129 for a set it's hard to beat.YMMV.
 

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I've had nothing but good luck with igaging. I first put a $35 direct reading DRO meant for routers on the Z axis on my RF30 and was stunned it was so accurate. Meanwhile the kits kept coming down in price and the remotes kept getting nicer. I ended up getting https://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Re...107663?hash=item21113ca44f:g:ucUAAOSwzJ5XVi4o and couldn't be happier.
You're obviously happy with it's lack of industry standard DRO functions, no large illuminated display and lack of a decent key pad ;-)
 

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You're obviously happy with it's lack of industry standard DRO functions, no large illuminated display and lack of a decent key pad ;-)
And unprotected wiring and batteries that go dead.

Milliing machine complete 3 axis packages with glass scales custom made to your specs in one millimeter increments up to 1000 mm are available for $228, including freight, no taxes. Arrives at your door in about 3 weeks. No extra charge for specifying slim scales. Oh, and the scales can be calibrated dead easy to be dead accurate, push a couple buttons to calibrate them. That is mounting issue, easily addressed in software. Can't do that at all with the iGaging or Accuremote scales.
 

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You're obviously happy with it's lack of industry standard DRO functions, no large illuminated display and lack of a decent key pad ;-)
Yup, true dat! For now all I need is what it was originally meant to be a Digital Read Out. And it does that just fine. If I want all the other stuff all you gotta do is add blu-DRO. But I've not gotten to that point yet.
 

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Can you provide a link Bob?
Here:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1021179?spm=2114.10010108.0.0.5eaf548dgEiWY6
is their store.

This one:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...216.html?spm=2114.12010608.0.0.544dca2cLhf1UZ
is the one I (and several friends) bought. When we bought it about a month ago it was $228.50 delivered. I see it is now $234.60. Those numbers seem to go up and down a bit. Better hurry, they only have 808 sets left! That is with scales of .005mm, (.0002") resolution. Note that scales can be upgraded to higher resolution (.001mm, .00004", (40 millionths)) for $18 extra per scale, and slim scales can be specified at no additional cost for any or all axes.

The person you deal with, Wilson, has a good command of English and is quite helpful. Each of us changed our orders, even more than once, before shipment. No problems, comes UPS or Fedex.

Mine is not installed yet, but I did plug everything in and checked it. Works fine.
 

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Thank you Bob!
 

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And unprotected wiring and batteries that go dead.

Milliing machine complete 3 axis packages with glass scales custom made to your specs in one millimeter increments up to 1000 mm are available for $228, including freight, no taxes. Arrives at your door in about 3 weeks. No extra charge for specifying slim scales. Oh, and the scales can be calibrated dead easy to be dead accurate, push a couple buttons to calibrate them. That is mounting issue, easily addressed in software. Can't do that at all with the iGaging or Accuremote scales.
Bob,

I was doing a little research on Yuri's package and ran across your posts on this thread. I've looked at the 'aliexpress' website and noticed they have several models of DRO systems. I'm curious why you and your friends chose the SNS model. I'm ready to get a system for a 13 x 40 lathe, so I would only need the '2V' instead of the '3V', but I wonder if you could add any comments on the various models based on your research.

Also, I gather from your posts that you communicated (verbally or by e-mail) with Wilson, their contact person. I see his name at the bottom of the FAQ section, but nothing on how to contact him. Can you provide any specific contact info?

Thanks for any help you can provide. This looks like a very nice package.

Regards,
Terry
 

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Terry, I and several of my friends chose that system because it seems like the most bang for the buck. There is some risk involved, but really about the same as from any other sellers. We have all had good transactions. One readout failed after about 20 minutes of use, and is being replaced. The site is Shenzhen Siton, here is their home page:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1021179?spm=2114.12010617.0.0.6ff11191CBv9UD
It is necessary to contact the seller after ordering to give them the details of what you need. I do not see a way of contacting the seller before placing the order. Read the ads very carefully. I do know that orders can be cancelled before shipment. Hope that helps...
 

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Terry, I and several of my friends chose that system because it seems like the most bang for the buck. There is some risk involved, but really about the same as from any other sellers. We have all had good transactions. One readout failed after about 20 minutes of use, and is being replaced. The site is Shenzhen Siton, here is their home page:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1021179?spm=2114.12010617.0.0.6ff11191CBv9UD
It is necessary to contact the seller after ordering to give them the details of what you need. I do not see a way of contacting the seller before placing the order. Read the ads very carefully. I do know that orders can be cancelled before shipment. Hope that helps...
That helps a lot, Bob.

Have your or any of your friends installed the units yet? Any installation or operational glitches that were unanticipated?

I was able to locate their blurb on the exact unit you bought, and they have a 2-axis version for (obviously) a little less money. I assume they will provide contact information for specifics once they receive the order, correct?

Price-wise this does indeed look like a bargain. And it's an attractive unit that appears to have all the bells and whistles I would like to have on my lathe.

Regards,
Terry
 

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Have your or any of your friends installed the units yet? Any installation or operational glitches that were unanticipated?
Some of the systems have been installed, and some partially. My installation is not started. No glitches reported beyond the one readout failure.
I assume they will provide contact information for specifics once they receive the order, correct?
It is required that you contact the seller after the sale with scale lengths and any other option choices. In reality, the seller will contact you, which makes it somewhat easier.


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Some of the systems have been installed, and some partially. My installation is not started. No glitches reported beyond the one readout failure.

It is required that you contact the seller after the sale with scale lengths and any other option choices. In reality, the seller will contact you, which makes it somewhat easier.


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Thanks.

The readout failure sounds like one of those unfortunate nuisances that can happen with any system, but it's reassuring that the seller evidently jumped right on it and resolved the problem. I assume the seller will contact me by e-mail?

I suspect I'll be a happy camper with this system.

I'll keep you posted, and thanks for your help.

Regards,
Terry
 

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Bob,

I was doing a little research on Yuri's package and ran across your posts on this thread. I've looked at the 'aliexpress' website and noticed they have several models of DRO systems. I'm curious why you and your friends chose the SNS model. I'm ready to get a system for a 13 x 40 lathe, so I would only need the '2V' instead of the '3V', but I wonder if you could add any comments on the various models based on your research.

Also, I gather from your posts that you communicated (verbally or by e-mail) with Wilson, their contact person. I see his name at the bottom of the FAQ section, but nothing on how to contact him. Can you provide any specific contact info?

Thanks for any help you can provide. This looks like a very nice package.

Regards,
Terry
On my order there was a "Message to Seller" box during checkout. I listed my desired dimensions there.
You can Contact them a couple of ways:
Wilson email is 'mr wilson huang <AT> gmail.com (remove the spaces and change <AT> to the @ symbol)
On their store front you can contact them.
Hover your pointer over the store name Shenzhen Siton Technologies Co. Ltd. and a box will pop down with the 'Contact Now' shown.

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On my order there was a "Message to Seller" box during checkout. I listed my desired dimensions there.
You can Contact them a couple of ways:
Wilson email is 'mr wilson huang <AT> gmail.com (remove the spaces and change <AT> to the @ symbol)
On their store front you can contact them.
Hover your pointer over the store name Shenzhen Siton Technologies Co. Ltd. and a box will pop down with the 'Contact Now' shown.

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Thanks, Dan.

That's helpful information. I plan on getting measurements for my lathe and placing an order this AM.

Do you have one of their products? How do you like it?

Regards,
Terry
 

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Waiting on it... :concerned:
Ordered on the 6th/7th, suppose to be a (7) day processing time. Then their Holiday started on the 15th. -Delayed-
I was hoping it would go out before the holiday began.
Thread -HERE-
 

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Waiting on it... :concerned:
Ordered on the 6th/7th, suppose to be a (7) day processing time. Then their Holiday started on the 15th. -Delayed-
I was hoping it would go out before the holiday began.
Thread -HERE-
Thanks for the link to the thread. Lot of study went into that. Gives me a lot of valuable information. PLEASE let me know when you get it and how the install goes.

Regards,
Terry

P.S.: Isn't Maryville right outside of Knoxville? I have a cousin who lives up there (if Maryville is where I think it is). Sure is pretty country.
 

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I also see a 3 axis system from Wilson for 186$ - same specs as the 234$ system unless I missed something
Mark
ps do you want/need Sino compatible or does it matter?
 

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Thanks for the link to the thread. Lot of study went into that. Gives me a lot of valuable information. PLEASE let me know when you get it and how the install goes.

Regards,
Terry

P.S.: Isn't Maryville right outside of Knoxville? I have a cousin who lives up there (if Maryville is where I think it is). Sure is pretty country.
Yep, ~20 miles south of Downtown, right up against the Smokies.
Will do. I'm anxious to get it and finally having a proper DRO on my beast. It'll be three years this summer ...



I also see a 3 axis system from Wilson for 186$ - same specs as the 234$ system unless I missed something
Mark
ps do you want/need Sino compatible or does it matter?
Mark, I believe that the $186 set does not include shipping and shipping I think is like $57. The $234 set has free shipping.
 

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Okay, my order's in with Shenzhen Siton. What a NIGHTMARE trying to figure out how to become a member and get the order in. Sure hope I only ordered one and not three or four!

Special thanks to Bob and Dan for all their help. Bob, I ordered one like yours, but 2-axis. It's $179 and change, including shipping, instead of $234 for 3-axis. Don't see how I could beat that price on what looks to be a very nice unit.

Both you guys let us know how your installations go; I'll do the same when I get mine.

Regards,
Terry
 

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Okay, my order's in with Shenzhen Siton. What a NIGHTMARE trying to figure out how to become a member and get the order in. Sure hope I only ordered one and not three or four!

Special thanks to Bob and Dan for all their help. Bob, I ordered one like yours, but 2-axis. It's $179 and change, including shipping, instead of $234 for 3-axis. Don't see how I could beat that price on what looks to be a very nice unit.

Both you guys let us know how your installations go; I'll do the same when I get mine.

Regards,
Terry
Let's see who's gets here first! Watch - it'll be yours. -hehe.
 

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Your order come in yet?
It hasn't even shipped yet. Still shows as 'Processing'... *SIGH*
Correction: Just checked again and it has shipped! 8-16 Days via ups *YEA*
 
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