Bison set tru D 1-4 spindle mounting has to many studs

What is the source of the illustration? I have a strong hunch that they are simply showing the wrong backing plate. Let me be a little more emphatic: the backing plate shown is simply not a 4 inch type D-1 (to use the strict nomenclature)

David

As Mark wrote the D1-4 spindle has three pins and always will, nothing else will do for your spindle.
Page 36 of this document
http://www.lathe.com/toolmex/Bison_Set-Tru_Chucks.pdf
will show the dimensions of the different D1 sizes.

Checking the link that Mark provided above it shows a 3 pin backplate but that part number has been replaced by another. The picture Toolmex provides of the new D1-4 backplate has 6 pins, obviously a mistake in choice of picture by Toolmex.
 
Can someone explain the rationale of this nomenclature. My lathe uses a D1-3 mount. It has 3 pins that are smaller than a D1-4. No dimension on the mount is 3". What does the last number represent? What does D1 represent? Is that the taper?
Robert
 
Can someone explain the rationale of this nomenclature. My lathe uses a D1-3 mount. It has 3 pins that are smaller than a D1-4. No dimension on the mount is 3". What does the last number represent? What does D1 represent? Is that the taper?
Robert

It's the approximate diameter of the spindle face, rounded to the nearest integer. D1 is the type or style designator.
 
Here's more, probably much more than you want, mostly from Standard B5.9. First of all the spindle diameter for each nominal size: 2" = 2 5/8", 3" = 3 5/8", 4" = 4 5/8", 5" = 5 5/8", 6" = 7 1/8", 8" = 8 7/8", 11" = 11 3/4", 15" = 15 7/8" and 20" = 21 1/2". Note these dimensions are given in inches and fractions thereof. Sizes 2" - 4" have 3 cams, sizes 5" - 20" have 6 cams. I'm not sure who is responsible for this design, it may have been a collaborative effort among the U.S. lathe builders of the day. Monarch first offered the cam lock spindle nose on its machines in 1935. I think Pratt & Whitney was also an early adaptor. (Date for Monarch's offering this is from John Legge's history of that company which can be accessed through lathes.co.uk). The first version of the Standard itself is dated 1936. The next version of the Standard, dated 1948, added the 2"and 3" type D1 sizes as well as the long taper, the Type L, series (L00, L0, L1 etc.) Note that while the 3" Type D1 wasn't included in the Standard until 1948, we know the design already existed as Monarch used this on their 10EE which came out in 1939. It's also one size smaller than what the Standard specifies for this size toolroom lathe.

So Standard B5.9 gives the spindle nose size that should be used for which size of lathe. I've never seen a 2" Type D1 spindle nose, but according to the Standard, if Myford had put a cam lock spindle nose on their Super 7, this would have been the proper size.

And "Type D1" means that it is a cam lock spindle nose. There was no "Type D2". Writers of the Standard may have wanted to leave open the possibility of later variations that would call for further division in the nomenclature There are both Type A1 and A2 (and B1 and B2) spindle noses. These are similar to the Type D1 except the chuck is secured by through bolts or cap screws in to tapped holes. These are typically used on turret lathes and now, CNC lathes.

Finally the cam lock spindle nose seems to have prevailed over the long taper. I'm not aware of any lathe currently made that uses the long taper spindle nose.

David
 
My Southbend D1-3 does indeed have a 3.625 spindle face. Thanks for the info.
Robert
 
I rcvd new back plate made by bison and thankfully it turns out that the pictures with 6 studs are wrong as my backplate only came with 3 studs. I am all set. My new bison chuck is so shiny and clean can’t wait to try it out. Thanks again for input


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Thank you for this report. I like it when things make sense.
David
 
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