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I just purchased an FP1 on an on-line auction. I did it sight unseen. I promised myself a few yrs ago that I would never do that again, but these things are rare as hen's teeth and it is not that far away and well, I'm, weak what can I say.

Can anyone tell me the best way to sling one of these? I was thinking wrapping a strap around the horizontal ram at the top, but that would put the whole weight of the machine on the dovetail. That seems like a bad idea. What is the proper way to lift one? Perhaps there is something in the manual, which I don't have. Anyone know of an on-line source for the manual (free)? Also, what does it weigh?

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ok I found a diagram for slinging on that other site, the less friendly one :). Seems there is a hole in the base for a 25mm rod that you wrap the straps around. Some other good info there too. Still don't know if this thing uses MT4 or Deckel collets. I guess I will find out this week - it is 1.5 hrs away. Always an adventure with a new machine.
 

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Weakness, yeah, I understand weakness. An FP-1 would make me weak, too! Congrats!
 

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When you get it home we are going to need to see some pics.
Congratulations,
 

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It was an interesting trip. I got it from Ontario Drive and Gear. They make drive trains for kubota and john deere amonst others. They showed me a 3000 ton forging press squashing billets into drive shafts. They make a lot of gears, bevel, helical, hardened and ground, they have their own heat treating shop. Very impressive and they took a lot of pride in their work. Could have easily spent the day there. They were selling it, an FP3 and a lot of hobbers and other gizmos that were not familiar to me as surplus to their requirements. Oh ya, the machine...well it is old and used, but the slides all move very smoothly. It is 550 3 phase but I will just swap the motor put and get rid of the hige junction box thing. Unfortunately I did not get the horizontal overarm support. I did ask the guy if there was a shelf full of tooling and he said he would look once they got all the auction stock cleared out. So I think tnis machine has been use and maintained by pros, but then it sat in an unheated shed. Some mild surface rust. I paid $1000 plus the usual auction fees and raxes. I am happy with my purchase. Anybody know what thread the mt4 drawbars are? I suspect they could be metric rather than 1/2 x 11. They don't come out readily. Anyway,I will figure that out.
 

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It was nice having Kyle, a millwrite, help me load it. Those guys have practical skills. He reminded me to lock all the gibs. At 750 lbs, it is always a bit nerve wracking to see something like that in the rearview mirror. But the straps all help well and nobody slammed their brakes on in front of me. I've done this a few times now. Getting the hang of it. :cool::cool:
 

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You have a great mill there. I hope they find the support.
 

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this overarm support casting is on ebay. Does anyone know if it will fit the FP1? are the FP1 and 2 overarm supports interchangeable? I just don't have any background with these machines. I bet there is a German forum out there where the guys know every part number and trick in the book on these - they must have a devote following. Might have to tap into that and get some help from a German speaking friend. There is also the other casting that has the bushing for the outer end of the arbor that dovetails on to this one but it is for an FP2. Are they interchangeable? 982935627_tp.jpg982935630_tp.jpg982935647_tp.jpg
 

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thanks! Where did you find this? Great stuff.
 

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I haven't a clue any more ! I've had them for a good while, and only came across them the other day, after you said you had acquired an FP1.
 

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so I have determined by looking at a German ebay add that the overarm above is for a larger machine. Probably the FP2.
 

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I am trying to clean up the ball handles and wheels. There is a lot of surface rust. The handles all have nice big comfortable rotating cranks on them. The seem to run in a bushing that is pressed in or threaded in to the 3 ball handle or wheel. I would like to remove the cranks so that I can clean and polish them in the lathe. Does anyone know how to remove those bushings?
 

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Very nice machine Sblack. I have the equivalent Maho offering and quite enjoy it (the MH 600 has specs nearly identical to the FP1). It is posted in the Schublin forum.


How well dressed was your machine? Are you now on the endless hunt for the additional offerings? Did you end up swapping over to 240V electrics? I left mine as a 575V machine and feed it with 240 > 600 transformer (works great and keeps the functionality of the 2 speed motors).

Good luck on getting everything sorted. David
 

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I got the machine, a lot of poorly applied paint and not so much as a solitary collet. :frown 2: But I paid $1000 cdn for it, so I can't complain. It is 220v 3phase so I will just run a phase onverter most likely. I have drooled over the various accessories, especially the universal table. There are lots available on ebay.de if one is willing to pay €2000 and half that again in shipping.....um.....no. There was a pretty well tooled one in Canada recently that went for $4k and it had mist everything. Probably a good deal. For now my plan is to clean it up, possibly scrape where required and get a DRO on it so that it will be a good capable machine. I don't really see the need for horizontal capability. The high speed spindle would be great for small work.
 

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Mine came with quite a few attachments, but very little tooling. Deckels are much more common than Mahos. You can get most any attachment - it will just cost a lot. The Mahos you rarely see the attachments for sale at any price. I have the #40 S20x2, taper so the tooling is available (either expensive or by waiting patiently) - and after ~3 years I was able to get the both #40 and U2 complete imperial collet sets. I have not picked up the metric collets as I don't use any metric tooling. With the small work envelop, the collets are pretty well essential.

I had the chance to pick up a second, near identical machine (a 1965 vintage) - I accepted sight unseen at $1500 and had it shipped across the country. It also came with the fixed table (like yours) vertical, horizontal and slotting heads - plus the spiral unit (which is what I was really after). I actually use the fixed table most of the time, in favor over the universal table (which came with the first MH 600). The fixed table gives slightly more head room and is enough lighter than I can safely lift it. The universal table is quite a chunk to try to lift / align. I have not done anything with the second MH 600 - other than cleaning up the table and the spiral unit (had to cut 25 change wheels and did that on the Maho - the only time I have used the horizontal set up).

I put a DRO Pro on - and it is very nice to use. A higher top speed would be nice, but a pain to be switching heads - small cutters still work fine, you just have to keep the feedrate low. The only high speed head I've seen offered was about 4 years ago (in Germany).

Enjoy that FP1.
 
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