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Hey everyone. I picked up an early Atlas 7 shaper and trying to find some info on it. There doesn't seem to be a lot out there. Mine does not have the table support at the bottom and no wipers for the ways. Trying to date the machine. Anybody point me in the right direction for some info? I have already checked the usual sites and google.
 

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My 1945 catalogue shows the foot already in place, so yours is prior to that. How far I'm not sure, I'll see if I have an earlier catalogue or ad. I believe they were introduced in 1938.

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Thanks Frank. My motor is also a 1/3 HP and Says "Dunlap" and at the bottom of the plate says "Sears & Roebuck".
 

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Well, 1939 catalogue illustrations show no foot and the 1941 catalogue shows the foot. So somewhere in between is yours, assuming that the illustrations were somewhat current to the publication they appeared in. Got any pictures you want to post of it? Maybe somebody else will recognize a particular feature. I have a small shaper, but not the Atlas one.

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NCJeeper,

Sears didn't begin selling the Atlas shapers and mills until 1953. So the fact that your motor has a Sears nameplate merely means that the OO bought the motor separate, or the motor isn't original to the shaper. Perhaps more likely the former, as the Dunlap name disappeared after about 1943.

The Atlas 7 (and 7A which was the same except no belt guards) first appears in the November 1937 Atlas catalog No, 28.. It last appears in the 1940 catalog No, 40 which was printed in November, 1939. Catalog No, 41 is undated but the shapers listed in it are the 7B and 7AB (no guards). So the probable production life of the 7A was November 1936 through November 1940. So four years. The only serial number that we have for a 7 is 001226. The earliest 7B serial number is 2038. So assume that between 1500 and 2000 Model 7's and 7A's were made. From your serial number (which you did not give), you can calculate roughly when yours was made.
 

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Thanks for the info Robert. Any idea where the serial number would be? I couldn't locate any tags on it other then the round "Atlas" ones that are so worn you cant read them.
 

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I don't know where the serial number was located on an Atlas Shaper. On the lathes of the period, it was stamped into the top of the front way at the right end. All that I can say is that we have 41 shapers in the database. Three are Sears, one is a 7A, one is a 7AB and the rest are 7B's. The database lists serial numbers for all except one 7B. From which, knowing the penchant for former owners of machines to remove removable name plates and forget to reinstall them, might indicate that the number is stamped somewhere. Perhaps another Atlas Shaper owner can say.
 

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Hey NCjeeper , is your table-drive ratchet cast iron or ZAMAK ?
 

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I cant post photos since photobucket required a ransom from everyone. I can take some and send them to a forum member if they have the ability to post them.
Also checking it out more thorough I found the number "10" on the back of the body behind the motor. It is not a cast number but was added after. Could this be the serial number and this actually be number ten?
 

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Its cast iron.
 

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Thanks Brino. Looking at the early photos of the one restored, Mine looks like that except my table is not open at the bottom it is a cube. Also I have the 2 small round atlas badges not a rectangular one. This is starting to get interesting.
 

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Will this help? Kind of goofy, but it says if there's no separate plate the serial number can be found on the left frame way. It is from a later parts diagram than yours, however. I just thought it might be a long shot.

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That's really weird that you can't post photos here -- you're a Premium Member with lots of posts. What's up with that?

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Here we go.
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More.
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That's were I found the number "10"
 

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Motor
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Great photos, Thanks!

Just be careful around those open belts.

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Yeah I have the guard off because it was damaged by the previous owner and needs repair at the hinge.
 

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OK , now I have leg envy. I so want a pair of those legs . Also I'm starting to get a little nostalgic for a shaper as that was the first machine I learned to use in high school metal shop .
 

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The appropriate location for machine serial and model numbers and other info on specific machines is the top thread in the sticky area at the top of this Forum. If you wish, I can just move your post up there. When I get time, I'll add them to the database, the master copy of which is kept on one of my local hard drives. Two or three times a year, I update the copy in Downloads, and in the Files area of the Atlas-Craftsman Group at groups.io (this is the Group that used to be on Yahoo).

From the photo of the page in Frank's earlier post, it would appear that your serial number should be stamped somewhere on the left side of the machine. I am not certain what the "Left Frame Way" is, but would assume that it is one of the three (I think) ground ways on the machine, almost certainly in an area that nothing slides over.
 

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I found it! It was covered up with grime so that's why I couldn't find it. #1202.
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Well, despite the fact that it isn't on the left side, I don''t know of anything else that it could be. If we assume that 1750 7A's were made. that would put yours around October, 1939.
 

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Yeah I was searching all over the left side of the machine and couldn't find it. On a whim I decided to wipe the right side down and there it was. Anyways thanks for dating it.
 

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OK. At least we now know where to look on a Shaper that never had a nameplate - near the top of either the left or right knee way.

Could any other owners of any model Atlas shapers that DO have a nameplate with the serial number stamped on it please look in the location shown above (both left and right) and report your model, serial number and whether or not the S/N was also stamped on the knee way? Some of the early lathes did have it both places, but apparently not many.
 

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On my 7B SN 8989 that is not the case.
 

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On my 7b SN 012199 has no numbers on the knee casting either. This placement thing of left and right side was one of those things we had a problem with cars. It was decided orientation was from sitting in the drivers seat. In this case with the SN it makes sense it would be on that knee as that's the side you operate from.

Can anybody give me a clue why my SN is longer? Are you only supposed to pay attention to the last 4 numbers?
 
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