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Probably the new guy in the shop, wants to look like a pro but has a baby at home and already has two car payments.

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The old guy with a massive pole barn and every tool imaginable.

He can afford the Snap-on but he's just cheap ;)
 

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In 1980 I decided I needed full size rollaway and at that time HF carried Waterloo as their toolbox. Both the SnapOn and Mac man had nothing bad to say about it because they often used weight to help quantify how good a box was. And the Waterloo weighed the same, not so with Craftsman. And while the same size box was around $1200 for SnapOn or Mac I paid $235 for the Waterloo. Where I was quickly frustrated by running out of room was air tools and test equipment.

My solution was make a clamshell side cabinet that the inside all my air tools hung up and in the door all my test equipment could hang. I also ended up getting a deal on a small SnapOn cab for measuring tools etc and integrated the whole on a sub frame. Every tool mans who ever saw it said they were going to steal the idea but never did. Because it's welded on and nobody makes this setup and I got out of working on cars my homemade tamale cart will probably last toolbox.
 

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I think it’ll be a hard sell, but I don’t figure they’d have gone to the trouble of making it if they didn’t think it’d be a slam dunk.

The best SnapOn story I have: My coworker just came in with an adjustable wrench off the truck. He explained how the sales guy had used a Craftsman adjustable wrench for comparison. He put a bolt in a vise, and gave it a good pull with the Craftsman. The bolt head rounded off. He replaced the bolt in the vise, grabbed the SnapOn adjustable and twisted the head right off. My coworker reckoned that was the sign of a better wrench, and bought it on the spot. I gently suggested that it may be better to have a bolt with a rounded off head, than a bolt with no head at all buried in a machine. To each his own I suppose.
 

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I think it’ll be a hard sell, but I don’t figure they’d have gone to the trouble of making it if they didn’t think it’d be a slam dunk.

The best SnapOn story I have: My coworker just came in with an adjustable wrench off the truck. He explained how the sales guy had used a Craftsman adjustable wrench for comparison. He put a bolt in a vise, and gave it a good pull with the Craftsman. The bolt head rounded off. He replaced the bolt in the vise, grabbed the SnapOn adjustable and twisted the head right off. My coworker reckoned that was the sign of a better wrench, and bought it on the spot. I gently suggested that it may be better to have a bolt with a rounded off head, than a bolt with no head at all buried in a machine. To each his own I suppose.
They've tried things before that didn't work out, they don't sell full size machine tools anymore. They even sold a surface grinder and a CNC version of the X2 for a very short while. Time will tell if this works out or not. Also, I wouldn't trust a demonstration done by a salesman to begin with. Bolts might not be the same, or could have been tampered with before the demonstration.
 

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When I first started turning wrenches the older mechanics had little bitty top and bottom boxes while most of the younger guys just had stacks of same width boxes but with two or three center add on boxes. They needed a ladder to get to the top of their box.
I purchased a set of those below and thought I was the cats meow. Paid 700.00 for first set and eventually purchased a second set from Snap On for 625.00 because the dealer wanted to empty his mini storage. He had purchased some 20 sets of them because they were promoting them at Snap On.
Basic boxes which have served me well. And the Beauty is I can move them myself in my compact pick up truck.
Now.... go to any dealership and half the guys have boxes which are massive. Insane. And they need to call a flat bed wrecker when they switch jobs. Just too damned big.
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I had a guy who worked for me briefly, when he left the wrecker had to haul his box away.
 

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My box unfortunately has become where things I don't have storage for seem to end up. But most places I worked there were no benches so my box was my bench. It's why I never went with top boxes. Moving has always been a problem until I inherited my FIL's ultra low trailer he built along with a 6' aluminum ramp that all packing houses used to have lying around. I can load my toolbox by myself. Done it more times than I can count. I also have a 10' aluminum ramp. Between the two ramps and that trailer I can literally move a ton of stuff.
 

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I bought a Home Depot roll around and a US General 46” box.
So far the US General seems to be a better quality box.
Easy gliding soft close drawers are great on the hf unit.
Yeah, those 6 foot boxes are ridiculous
 

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I use a 42" Vidmar in at work equipped with castors and 2" shoptop . I have a Kennedy large mechanics box on top of that . Both are fully loaded as I need both machinist and mechanics tools . At home , the 3 62" Vidmars carry most of the load . The 4 42" US Generals handle some woodshop things and harry homeowner usage tools . I have sold my 5 Kennedy roller , mid and top box machinist sets in the midst of downsizing . That big box on the first post looks pretty but I can't see it as being useful .
 

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My main box is an Equipto (like a Vidmar I guess, made for parts storage rather than tools originally). I also have various Craftsman and other no-name boxes. I suppose if I was going to work at another shop I would need to buy something big and lockable but what I have now works and it's paid for. I can move the Equipto by myself if I take the drawers out, or by forklift if I ever get another one. I also have a bench with big drawers, an old blueprint file for small tools, and more stuff like bolt bins in storage not to mention my 20' shop trailer out west. I guess I've got enough tools now, maybe....
 

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They've tried things before that didn't work out, they don't sell full size machine tools anymore. They even sold a surface grinder and a CNC version of the X2 for a very short while. Time will tell if this works out or not. Also, I wouldn't trust a demonstration done by a salesman to begin with. Bolts might not be the same, or could have been tampered with before the demonstration.
You’ll get no argument from me. I just maybe have more faith in the ability of large companies to figure out the most efficient and effective ways to strip us of our money while we smile.
 

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My main box is an Equipto (like a Vidmar I guess, made for parts storage rather than tools originally). I also have various Craftsman and other no-name boxes. I suppose if I was going to work at another shop I would need to buy something big and lockable but what I have now works and it's paid for. I can move the Equipto by myself if I take the drawers out, or by forklift if I ever get another one. I also have a bench with big drawers, an old blueprint file for small tools, and more stuff like bolt bins in storage not to mention my 20' shop trailer out west. I guess I've got enough tools now, maybe....
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I think to some extent you're comparing apples and oranges. On one hand I do agree that the snap On boxes are outrageously expensive. On the other hand I think you'll find that in a professional setting over time the Snap On boxes will take far more abuse than the HF models. I purchased my first Snap On box in the late 1970's. As a repair shop owner and professional mechanic the drawers were opened and closed hundreds of times a day, and it probably accumulated more miles rolling across the shop than most of the customers cars. I used that box in a professional setting for over 20 years.

I still have the box today, but it sits in the corner of the garage. The drawers still get opened on a regular basis, but it hasn't accumulated much mileage in the last 15 years or so. About as far as it moves these days is a couple feet a few times a year to retrieve a dropped tool, or to clean behind it. In the 40+ years I've had it I've never had to repair or replace a single part. The slides and rollers used to get lubed on a monthly basis, now days it's down to an annual basis. For the money spent 40 years ago it's held up well.

As for the Craftsman boxes of the same era I would classify them as trash. I tried to trade 2 of them in when purchasing the Snap On , but the dealer wasn't interested. Both were only a couple years old and had already worn out several drawer slides and wheels.

As a hobbyist I wouldn't even consider a Snap On box or any tools for that matter. While they do stand up far better than the HF or similar brands in a professional setting most hobbyists never come close to using their tool to the extent they'd ever notice the difference. The last few wrenches I've purchased came from a local farm store. They're Duracraft Pro series. If I remember correctly a 1 1/16" combination wrench cost less then $20.00. At the time the same wrench from Snap On cost over $96.00. For what I use it for the I'll never wear out the Duracraft.
 

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I pulled my last Craftsman box out of the dumpster at work. What’s that saying about one mans trash again? Lol
 

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Was on a tour of the machine shop for JPL (Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena, CA) you would think they would have top end gear, but most of the tool chests were Craftsman and Harbor Freight (General) and had been around for years. They do not get moved and the environment was pretty spotless. Almost all the machines were decades old, although they do upgrade the electronics/software. Something to be said that newer and more expensive is not necessarily any better. All my tool chests are HF General line, and have lasted for years, a good balance between cost and durability for the level of use they get. Everything to a price point, just can't see the ICON line selling that much relative to the current HF clients. Who knows, maybe they are going upscale and will be carrying Taiwanese and American made machinery in the future.
 

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I think it's actually a stated goal of theirs to bring on more higher quality lines. Don't know if that will extend to machine tools but if they think they can make a profit they might get back into it. They used to carry a lot more machines than they do now, probably has to do with the cost of support.
 

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I think it's actually a stated goal of theirs to bring on more higher quality lines. Don't know if that will extend to machine tools but if they think they can make a profit they might get back into it. They used to carry a lot more machines than they do now, probably has to do with the cost of support.
You frequently see comments about long term support in reference to higher cost HF tools. Nobody cares if they can get parts for their $40 vise in 10 years, but where an $800 TIG welder is cheap by TIG welder standards, you still do see many people hesitant to spend that kind of money on something with a 90 day warranty and no guarantee of continued parts support in 6 months since HF is known to change suppliers more often than Elizabeth Taylor changed husbands.

Their current parts support is bring it back and get a new one. Not really practical for hard to move items like a tool chest or items where people stockpile consumables and don't want a replacement that uses different consumables. What a pain it would be to empty out, and transport a monster tool chest both ways simply over a bad drawer slide.
 

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It is a really crucial factor in buying anything worrying about support. But the way the whole market domestic or foreign the constant change and making things obsolete and can't get parts is pretty much the way of the world now. Not only HF changes suppliers so does Home Depot, Lowes etc. It's harder and harder to even find a place to buy truly quality tools. I've pretty much been buying old Makita's if I want quality. They at least seem to not change their models all the time and parts seem available. When I bought my Waterloo I also bought a HF 1/2" impact and 1/4" die grinder. I used both daily as a line mech and still have them and use them going on 40yrs later.

My first try at getting HF parts is a electric long nose die grinder that I've for over 10yrs. It has been used in two stationary machines, my radii cutter and stationary die grinder for the last 4yrs. Not everyday but used hard when I do. I bought a new one that is a different design so I didn't have to swap between the two setups. The old one quit the other day and it turned out it was the brushes. I couldn't believe after digging for over an hour I found the spare set of brushes, installed them and finished the project! Turns out the model has been discontinued and it has different brushes than the new one. :( I just ordered new spare brushes for my old HF die grinder after a long wait on the phone and it was $8 per set(I bought 2 sets) and they didn't charge me for shipping, such a deal!
 
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It might be that they are made of special materials that increase in weight after removing the packaging.


shipping weight 222lbs
product weight 234 lbs

???

that is a clever trick :)
and they cant be the wrong way round as I'm sure the cardboard and protective bits would be over 10 lbs for it.

I always look at the weight of roll cabs when comparing the cheeper ones so I get an idea of where they are saving the money ;) it's amazing how much variance their is in them. <---- Thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it , ha ha .

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It is a really crucial factor in buying anything worrying about support. But the way the whole market domestic or foreign the constant change and making things obsolete and can't get parts is pretty much at thing of the past. Not only HF changes suppliers so does Home Depot, Lowes etc. It's harder and harder to even find a place to buy truly quality tools. I've pretty much been buying old Makita's if I want quality. They at least seem to not change their models all the time and parts seem available. When I bought my Waterloo I also bought a HF 1/2" impact and 1/4" die grinder. I used both daily as a line mech and still have them and use them going on 40yrs later.

My first try at getting HF parts is a electric long nose die grinder that I've for over 10yrs. It has been used in two stationary machines, my radii cutter and stationary die grinder for the last 4yrs. Not everyday but used hard when I do. I bought a new one that is a different design so I didn't have to swap between the two setups. The old one quit the other day and it turned out it was the brushes. I couldn't believe after digging for over an hour I found the spare set of brushes, installed them and finished the project! Turns out the model has been discontinued and it has different brushes than the new one. :( I just ordered new spare brushes for my old HF die grinder after a long wait on the phone and it was $8 per set(I bought 2 sets) and they didn't charge me for shipping, such a deal!
Japan has laws requiring manufacturers to maintain parts support for a lengthy period after discontinuing an item which probably effects Makita. I have a specialized printer from Japan that was discontinued around 2011 and the company is still providing consumables, parts and repair services. Other countries have been discussing similar requirements often under proposed "Right to repair" laws.
 

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I would love to see this happen. There is just too much planned obsolescence filling our land fills. Some bad designs that need to go away, but this improvement for the sake of just change alone is stupid. Don't get me started about printers! Talk about scams.
 

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I would love to see this happen. There is just too much planned obsolescence filling our land fills. Some bad designs that need to go away, but this improvement for the sake of just change alone is stupid. Don't get me started about printers! Talk about scams.
Thread drift alert!!!!

Yes, right to repair laws are long overdue. It's one thing for manufacturers to offer repair services, or just plain build their stuff so it isn't repairable but when they try to tell me I don't have the right to fix something I bought from them it really irks me. I've been in the IT business since the days of doing board level repairs on expansion cards so it's near and dear to my heart.

I've also been on a crusade against cheap ink jet printers for several decades now. Finally laser printers (even color ones) are cheap enough that nobody should be using an ink jet unless it's for a specialized application. That printer ink in the little cartridges costs more than 20-year-old single malt scotch:oops:

Back on topic, I to have found replacement brushes for my harbor freight grinders at the back of a junk drawer on a Sunday afternoon when I just wanted to complete my project. Love it when manufacturers include replacement wear parts in the original purchase.:cool:

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Yep. My 4 year old $600 washer just broke. $550 in parts and labor to repair it. It looks brand new and is now going to a dump.
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Yep. My 4 year old $600 washer just broke. $550 in parts and labor to repair it. It looks brand new and is now going to a dump.
Robert
My 30 year old washing machine is still going strong, never had a problem with it. Cost ~$150 then. Get a used one... ;)
 

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I asked a friend who sold washers at Sears (remember them) why our fairly new washer had started leaking while the old ones we had seemed to last forever. She said that's just the way it is now, something to do with front loading and seals, bearings. blah blah blah

The upside is the newer ones are far more efficient and actually clean your clothes much better. Buy one made in Korea, better built and no tariffs ;)

Cheers,

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Yep. My 4 year old $600 washer just broke. $550 in parts and labor to repair it. It looks brand new and is now going to a dump.
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I'm sure there must be some usable parts in there, maybe even turn the shell into a toolbox;)

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It is a really crucial factor in buying anything worrying about support. But the way the whole market domestic or foreign the constant change and making things obsolete and can't get parts is pretty much the way of the world now. Not only HF changes suppliers so does Home Depot, Lowes etc. It's harder and harder to even find a place to buy truly quality tools. I've pretty much been buying old Makita's if I want quality. They at least seem to not change their models all the time and parts seem available. When I bought my Waterloo I also bought a HF 1/2" impact and 1/4" die grinder. I used both daily as a line mech and still have them and use them going on 40yrs later.

My first try at getting HF parts is a electric long nose die grinder that I've for over 10yrs. It has been used in two stationary machines, my radii cutter and stationary die grinder for the last 4yrs. Not everyday but used hard when I do. I bought a new one that is a different design so I didn't have to swap between the two setups. The old one quit the other day and it turned out it was the brushes. I couldn't believe after digging for over an hour I found the spare set of brushes, installed them and finished the project! Turns out the model has been discontinued and it has different brushes than the new one. :( I just ordered new spare brushes for my old HF die grinder after a long wait on the phone and it was $8 per set(I bought 2 sets) and they didn't charge me for shipping, such a deal!
Totally agree. That’s really where Grizzly shines. I’ve used Grizzly‘s excellent parts service to locate quite a few parts for Taiwan machine parts of an older mill of some obsolete import brand. Grizzly really does shine. Even for some older Craftsman stuff.
 

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Yup, I use Grizzley for buying parts for my HF 9x20 and Enco RF-30. As maligned as those machines are there are a lot of them around with a lot of folks modding them so it's smart to provide parts IMHO.
 

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I'm sure there must be some usable parts in there, maybe even turn the shell into a toolbox;)

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or better yet, I think somebody used a shell to make a liquid abrasive blast cabinet. And also saw something about that the front loaders use a 3ph motor with a vfd to do the variable spin. That just begs being repurposed! I'm on my second front loader and while I love them my problems have not been leaking, it's been weird stuff like it wouldn't go into spin and it turned out the door lock was the problem! Found the way to diagnose on YouTube.
 
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