Is this the same as PM25

Yeah you really have to watch out. On Amazon there is a milling machine from a outfit called Mophorn.
They actually have the gall to use photos of PM machines with the logos visible. I contacted Matt and he said
that sort of thing happens so often he can’t keep up with it.
 
vincent52100 said:
For what good it will do I’m going to complain to Ebay. Probably a waste of time.
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Ebay has terminated some sellers I turned in for outright bait and switch, they do follow up. It's mostly community policing though, the rest is software and a small amount of actual human QC.

I'll look for that fake pm25, using branded pictures of a competitor is a violation. They steal my branded pics all the time too. Ebay is full of Asian sellers, they are really bad these days, selling items with zero support. I wouldn't touch a machine directly from China. Go through an American dealer like PM, Grizzly, DROPROS and etc..
 
SSage said:
Ebay has terminated some sellers I turned in for outright bait and switch, they do follow up. It's mostly community policing though, the rest is software and a small amount of actual human QC.

I'll look for that fake pm25, using branded pictures of a competitor is a violation. They steal my branded pics all the time too. Ebay is full of Asian sellers, they are really bad these days, selling items with zero support. I wouldn't touch a machine directly from China. Go through an American dealer like PM, Grizzly, DROPROS and etc..
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It was actually only 2 sellers just about a week ago, then all the listings disappeared after I called PM and asked about this, now there are 5 or 6 of these sellers. It's an epidemic lol.

I actually asked one of those sellers if I could see some "side view photos" of the machine. Since I didn't get any sort of answer at all, I assume these machines are probably just Sieg SX3's, at best, but they could very well not exist at all.
 
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Maine said:
SSage said:
Ebay has terminated some sellers I turned in for outright bait and switch, they do follow up. It's mostly community policing though, the rest is software and a small amount of actual human QC.

I'll look for that fake pm25, using branded pictures of a competitor is a violation. They steal my branded pics all the time too. Ebay is full of Asian sellers, they are really bad these days, selling items with zero support. I wouldn't touch a machine directly from China. Go through an American dealer like PM, Grizzly, DROPROS and etc..
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It was actually only 2 sellers just about a week ago, then all the listings disappeared after I called PM and asked about this, now there are 5 or 6 of these sellers. It's an epidemic lol.

I actually asked one of those sellers if I could see some "side view photos" of the machine. Since I didn't get any sort of answer at all, I assume these machines are probably just Sieg SX3's, at best, but they could very well not exist at all.
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It's all the same seller probably, they are using at least 3 seller IDs I came across. Looks like they sell in mass volume, get too many negatives and move on to another ID. I reported a few, probably a Chinese seller, the listings are roughly translated, all in metric too. Ebay is so full of crap listings, I wonder how many fall for it. I bet PayPal will terminate after the first major back charge.

Maybe they will post some actual pictures and stop stealing PM pics.
 
You might save some money, but I guarantee the support from PM is worth every penny. I burnt out the motor on my PM1030 lathe about 13 months after I got it. The grizzly I was considering was the 22" version of the machine I got and was about $250 less and had a 1 year warranty. If the same thing happened with the grizzly, the replacement motor would have been $410 + shipping. PM sent a new motor with no charge and covered the shipping within 24 hours of me finishing all the troubleshooting and confirming the motor couldn't be repaired.

Saving a few extra bucks buying from someone who is blatantly ripping off someone else, will likely turn into an expensive mistake.
 
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