LMS 3960 X-axis Power Feed (the powerglide experiment)

Tio Loco

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Just thought I'd share my mad scientist project. As with many other things about this hobby, I'd convinced myself that I 'needed' a power feed for my 3960. Two issues: first, sticker shock, second I just don't have room to add ~6" to the left side of my mill. Most of the home grown solutions mimic the layout of the commercial one, so I set out to design a compact one. It seems like these things always start out simple, and then take on a life of their own.

I found a suitable motor on Amazon, and came up with a design, but struggled with how to engage and disengage it from the lead screw. After about a week of half baked ideas, I happened to remember how strong RC car steering servos are these days. Here's the design: Power Feed v5.1.pngPower Feed v5.3.pngPower Feed v5.png
 
Of course that led me to the issue of controlling everything. One thing led to another and I settled on a scheme to use a servo controller that monitored the voltage going to the power feed motor, and use that to activate the servo and engage/disengage (hence the name Powerglide, apologies to the classic GM transmissions).

A few of the build photos.
 

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Finally on Sunday, the first chooch test:


Still needs refinement, maybe a more powerful servo. Still need to add limit switches to the ways, but I'm thinking that overall, the concept might actually work... time will tell. But hey, I'll always have the joy of creating something vs. buying something.

Your comments and suggestions are welcome
 
VERY nice engage/disengage method! I think you've got yourself a winner.
 
Nice- be sure to fit a cover to keep chips out
Did you do the anodizing yourself?
Mark
 
very neat! Do you have to turn the speed to zero to reverse? The motor seemed to be moving back and forth a bit on the guides on the return, but not the other way. Any idea why? Maybe a rigid servo arm might help keep the bevel gears meshed fully in reverse.

Very impressed with both the mechanics and the electronics.
 
VERY nice engage/disengage method! I think you've got yourself a winner.

Thanks, still plenty to do. Always a work in progress.

Nice- be sure to fit a cover to keep chips out
Did you do the anodizing yourself?
Mark

Photos below with her shiny new acrylic cover in place. I ordered a sheet of 2mm aluminum for the cover, but while she's in shakedown mode I wanted to see what was going on under the hood. Turned out kinda neat, so I may keep it for a while. I'm sure after a while it will get scratched and dulled with swarf splooge and I'll want to replace it with the aluminum.

The parts are powder coated not anodized. Another new skill that I've yet to master. Photo below of my high tech powder coating booth. :cool:
A/C filter in the back and box fan minimize powder dispersion.

very neat! Do you have to turn the speed to zero to reverse? The motor seemed to be moving back and forth a bit on the guides on the return, but not the other way. Any idea why? Maybe a rigid servo arm might help keep the bevel gears meshed fully in reverse.

Very impressed with both the mechanics and the electronics.

Thanks Matt. No, the reverse switch and motor will happily change direction at any speed. If I switch off the power switch while the servo is in the engaged position, it stays engaged, so that's another, less abrupt, option for changing direction (power off - change direction - power on).

As for the motor wobble, there are a couple of issues that I'm looking at. First, the nylon gears are not super precision, not terrible, but not what I was expecting. Part of that may be my lead screw adapter. It slips over the lead screw with a rolled pin which fits into the slot of the lead screw. Then it's turned down to 8mm with two flats to fit the gear. Since I don't have a lathe yet I made it using round stock and turning it down using a boring bar on the external face. I'm sure a lathe turned adapter would be more precise.

See the photos for the new servo arm and linkage. The video was the proof of concept test.

I'm thinking I need to change a couple of things. Any time that the PF power switch is on the servo constantly twitches. After a couple of minutes powered on, even though I'm not using the PF, it gets hot enough that it can't engage/disengage. (Or maybe it's just tired from twitching.) Switch the power off for a few minutes and she goes fine again.

I used a PWM controller for the motor, so that's the first thing I'm going to try to change. I know that they are more efficient than just using a potentiometer, but the voltage sensor never sees a constant voltage from it and will occasionally engage/disengage the servo at random times. Electronics is definitely not my strong suit, but if I understand the way a PWM works, I believe the voltage sensor, being digital, is occasionally seeing the 'gaps' in the wave instead of a steady voltage that the DC motor sees. I tapped this down considerably by adding a 750ms delay to the script of the servo controller, but I think that is the reason for the constant twitch.

I also may just need a more powerful servo. This one is considered a micro-servo with a torque about 1/25th of what a RC car servo can deliver. Of course those servos are bigger so I'll have to machine a new rear plate if I go that route. In that instance I'd probably mount the servo 90° clockwise, putting the linkage lower and parallel to the end plate on the ways, which would let me attach the linkage to the motor mount directly between the inboard rails and closer to the axis of the gears. The current location is causing some binding just because it's pulling/pushing from the very top of the mount. I'm sure that the ideal pressure point would be dead center of the three rails (on the back of the motor gearbox), but that will require considerably more real estate on the back side.

The adventure continues. Again comments and suggestions are welcome. I'm just making this up as I stumble along.

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Just a quick updated on this experiment. After using it for a while, the motor gearbox was not up to the task. The brass spur gear driven by a worm gear gave up the ghost.

V2 is rumbling around in my head using a more robust motor and servo.
 
From what you have shown us so far, I'm sure that you will come up with a solution.
Looking forward to see it.
 
They make stepper motors with pretty beefy 90 degree gearboxes already attached (with all metal gears), i.e.: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32875110441.html

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Could be a more robust option for you. Not sure how you could do a disengagement setup with that though.

I just installed a stepper motor as the main drive motor on my lathe, love it lots :)

-Jamie M.
 
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