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Machining A Replacement Cross Slide For A Logan 11" (as Promised)

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Rex Walters

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Here's some pictures of the compound slide I did last year. Might give you a few ideas on placing the marks and stamping the numbers.
Hey, thanks, Ken! That's awesome. Nice job stamping the numbers. I've made a few dials now and while the scribed lines come out great, I've never been completely happy with the stamped numbers (I've made a variety of jigs to hold the stamps). I may eventually build GHT's "universal pillar tool" just for this sort of thing, but I'm currently leaning toward engraving or laser-cutting flexible plastic laminate to make the protractor dial (a black plastic base with a white laminate on top).

You put the protractor marks on the cross-slide and the index marks on the compound. I'm planning on going the other way around (same as the original).

Since I already milled off the "ears" on the cross-slide, doing it your way isn't feasible for me. There is no circular raised area on my cross slide, and since I milled off the ears, the circular bottom of the cross slide (see photo below) is the full-width of the cross-slide. I plan to put index marks on the top horizontal surface at "North" on the compass (on the far side of the compound where it was on the original) and at "South". I also plan to put in index at "East" and "West," but they will go on the vertical surfaces on the right and left (hopefully that makes sense).

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You put the protractor marks on the cross-slide and the index marks on the compound. I'm planning on going the other way around (same as the original).
Oh! Wait, you made a compound-slide not a cross-slide! Sorry — I misunderstood.
 
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Rex,
I did make a cross slide and compound slide. The project started out just making a new compound slide. But when I really got into it, the cross slide was in as bad shape as the compound slide was. I had enough ductile iron purchased, so I made a cross slide, too. Yes, I used ductile Iron! Wish I had enough DI to make my slide as long as yours for a back tool rest as you did!
The degree marks on your Logan are laid out just like they are on my big Lodge & Shipley, marked on the cross slide.
 

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More progress.

I was able to get about 0.180" back in tool height adjustment bymilling a small amount off the top of the cross slide and both the top and bottom of the compound.

This was just enough to be able to adjust my 5/8" tool bits and cut-off tools to center height without the tool-holder bottoming out. Whew.

Hopefully nobody is following along, but don't do what I did and assume you have enough adjustability that the extra thickness in the cross slide won't be a problem! Once I'm satisfied with everything, I'll post drawings of what I should have built (considering this one a prototype).

Here's what it looks like now:

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Other than the fact that my compound-slide looks kinda like a freshly-shorn marine, I think it looks pretty spiffy, and it works a champ (I still need to make my gib lock levers, though).

I couldn't remove any more off the top of the cross-slide because the tee-slots (both straight and circular) were getting uncomfortably thin (about 0.160"):

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Other than the slightly funny look of the compound, the only other issue I ran into was with the square-headed bolts and captured nuts that hold the compound onto the cross slide:

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I had a nasty surprise when I first re-assembled everything and tried to face a piece of aluminum. I swiveled the compound to 30 degrees (60 degree mark on the rear of the compound) and tightened the two lock-nuts on either side as shown above. Then I put a turning tool in the QCTP, loosened the top of the toolpost and swung the tool around for a facing cut. When I re-tightened the toolpost, though, the entire compound spun a bit to the right!

Get out the wrench and crank down on the nuts a bit more. Huh. Feels a little weird when I torqued the nuts down. Is there some swarf trapped somewhere? (No.) I was able to lock it down tight enough that it wouldn't turn, but it definitely bugged me (everything was slathered in oil, but still). Then I try to advance the compound slide. Very tight. Huh. Did I over-tighten the gib screws? (No.)

Eventually I copped to the fact that removing material from the bottom of the compound meant the square headed bolts were now too long. As I drew them up with the nuts, they were hitting the top of the slot in the compound (which acted almost like a gib screw and made the slide hard to move).

So I cut the screws a bit shorter and found a 5/16-18 die to cut the threads a little farther along the shaft. (As an aside, I don't know what those screws were made from but it was the easiest machining I've ever performed -- the die cut so easily and smoothly I couldn't believe it.)

Anyway, all is well with the world again. After a slight tangent adjusting my spindle take-up nut, my lathe is now fully operational again.

I think my next task is to make a bunch of ball-handles for various things (gib lock levers, a better carriage lock handle, and replacement gib locks for my mill). I've been in conversation with Jim Sehr who has a brilliantly simple design for a ball turning attachment, and has also taught me several interesting things (like "timing" front and rear mounted tools for production operations).

I've done enough scraping now that I at least know how to do it. Flat to maybe 20 ppi isn't terribly difficult, but I'm struggling to two sides of my transfer block perpendicular and flat within a couple thou. Dovetail ways are definitely still beyond my skill level at the moment, and the Russian straightedge I bought off of ebay doesn't seem to transfer dykem-hi-spot very well, so I think I'll hold off on scraping the ways for a good while longer and get back to actually using my lathe!

I also need to make my rear-mount tool holder. That will be useful for making ball handles, so that may be next in the queue before the ball turner. This hobby needs a shorthand term for making parts for tools to make tools to make parts for tools.

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This hobby needs a shorthand term for making parts for tools to make tools to make parts for tools.
I think the term your looking for is MACHINIST
Really enjoyed your thread.
I want a machine with a cross slide like yours. May have to start looking for materials.
I too am learning to scrape my machines and have had some great results and a few screw-ups that must yet be corrected.
It' all a learning experience.
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Late to the party, but really nice work Rex!
 

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You could use a qctp or a four way , even a second compound. Nice job on the build. I bet the studs were leadloy 12l14. I used lots of bars of that in a valve shop on turret lathes. It's just so nice to work with. I could cut 1" acme threads on ten inch shafts with a die head in about a minute or less. Brass is another of my favorites. I may still get the ruff casting for my logan 11" someday if I get back straightened out. Two very good neurosurgeons said no more surgeries on my spine it can't take anymore the last one said. At least now I have proof the butcher that did the first two really did turn me into a quadriplegic. I got back to walking with a cane but the damage caused me to walk back into a wheelchair. Life's good to me YA think.
 

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I refer to making parts, for making parts,for making parts as the snowball effect. It will sneak up on you.
Loved your build and detail.
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wow that's some sweet looking work... gonna be one hell of a lathe when your done! and I just love those dials that a person can actually read. to bad no ones reproducing them commercially.
 

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I earmarked this post just so I could refer to it when I build a cross slide. So... here I am ready to start and I can’t find the MLA web site to order the casting. Anyone know what happened to them?
 

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His website appears to have disappeared, but I know someone who received some castings from him recently. He may have retired but I’m not sure.

PM me if you’d like the last phone number I have for Andy, but his snail mail address is:

Metal Lathe Accessories
Andy Lofquist
PO Box 88
Pine Grove Mills, PA 16868
 

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I earmarked this post just so I could refer to it when I build a cross slide. So... here I am ready to start and I can’t find the MLA web site to order the casting. Anyone know what happened to them?
Let us know if you find him. I'd like the same for my 11" Logan. I Put it off to long , hope not . My luck tho.
 

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I emailed Andy at mlatoolbox@verizon.net and received the below reply from him:

Yes, they are available. Probably it was the S-4382 cross slide you saw. Price of casting and drawing is $56.00. Shipping $14.35 to U.S.A. addresses. Payment by check or PayPal. Andy Lofquist, Metal Lathe Accessories (814) 234-3543

I don’t know what else he might have and as I recall, there were two cross slide castings but I don’t know which one for the Logan. Also, it seems as there was gib stock available also. I plan to call him tomorrow and I’ll know more.

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Pretty nice Rex, not a beginner's project for sure; more like "advanced intermediate", many opportunities to mess up.
I don't have the patience to stop and take pictures when I build stuff. Gotta work on that.
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Pretty nice Rex, not a beginner's project for sure; more like "advanced intermediate", many opportunities to mess up.
Thanks! Trust me, I’m still very much a beginner and an amateur to boot.

I just trust my inner Nietsche: that which doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. And I’ve had my share of close calls. My setup for splitting some durabar diagonally on a little 4x6 bandsaw to make some straightedges comes to mind — don’t do it the way I did!

Glad to hear Andy is still selling his castings. The part number J. Hawk shows above (S-4382) is indeed the part I ordered from Andy.
 

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You can still find Logan production cross slides on eBay. I fact I have two in my stash . I think one is for a 12 inch Logan and another fits a 11 inch Logan. And there are three on eBay two that fit 11 Inch Logan’s and one that has no dial just a handle for front and back stops.
 

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Yes, I saw those, thanks! I am fervently hoping to not need a new cross-slide... so far there is neither evidence that I do nor to counterindicate the purchase of the new gib and gib screws that I hope to install this week sometime.

Later: with apologies, I thought this ebay reference was to my cross-slide issues, not Rex's wonderful rebuild.
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Buy it on eBay? Where’s the fun in that? I’m a hobby Machinist. I can make anything! Well, I’m going to try to anyway! That’s the good thing about being retired, plenty of time. First you have to think about it, then do a little work, and then think about it some more. Anyway, I can certainly see why someone would buy one off eBay when they didn’t have time to futz with it.... been there done that,

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While I am rebuilding my lathe, too, this cross-slide wasn't really part of the rebuild. The original cross-slide works fine, I just find it too short, wanted a rear tool post for a cutoff tool, and didn't like the non-ferrous (zinc?) cover on the back. This longer cross slide is great for mounting a rear tool post, fixtures, jigs, whatever.

If I did it over again (unlikely!) I'd probably make a real tapered gib, and I'd try to figure out a way to make the compound easily removable. I'd probably be better off with a fixed tool post for at least 80% of what I do, for example. It would be nice if I could easily take the compound on and off.

STOP IT, REX!! First I need to get the dang lathe back to operational before I start thinking about further improvements! <laugh>
 
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