Man I can’t win for losing!

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I think I would use my lathe to turn a bushing to adapt the new motor to the existing pulley rather than try turning the motor shaft. It would have to stick out a bit, but that's nothing a spacer can't fix.

 

[Latinrascalrg1]

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hahahahaha
well, it won't be charged just sitting there
pretending it was charged(which it won't be) it might hurt your elbow when you jerked back and hit something

I guess I don't understand your comedy context here so if you would be so kind as to let me in on the joke I would appreciate it! Not trying to stir up the $h!t pot just trying to learn so if you have further factual knowledge on the subject please share that with us.
I'm assuming you know more then me about how these "caps" work however by your statement it would seem that might not be the case.....So I may be wrong here but this is what I learned and if this is not correct please kindly explain where my mistake is.....
A Cap is a fast discharge power storage device (a kind of "battery" that both very quickly charges and then is capable of expelling its total stored power charge all at once in a split second) correct? So If this is correct, that would mean had this motor been plugged in recently (which we know it was) then the likelyhood that one if not both of those caps will indeed be energized and will definitely give you a good shock unless it is somehow discharged. According to the OP's statement, "The white one arced with good snap" confirms it was in Fact energized and would have done more then make you hit your elbow!
Yes capacitors will usually slowly de-Energize over a period of time however how long that takes depends on how the circuit is wired
I am aware that not all caps will be "Dangerous" to the human body however I do know they can produce a big enough Bite to kill someone as well or at least its theoretically possible and I'm not willing to test that theory myself.

 

[cg285]

first off it is amperage that is potentially dangerous, not voltage. if it was possible (i'm sure someone will go on a google search now) to measure the amperage of a capacitor it would be in milli-nano seconds. way back in electronics school we used to zap each other, usually on the back of the neck, (on the sly) with 700v charged capacitors and no one suffered more than 1 second.

i suppose if your capacitor was the size of a house it would be possible. my electronics teacher used to plug in a lamp cord, arc it to show it was hot then hold on to it with both hands to prove he wouldn't die from it. then offer it to the students - no takers of course haha.

monday while wiring my brother's auto transfer sw i accidentally got a hold of 240v 400a service. i'm still here

 

[Cadillac]

first off it is amperage that is potentially dangerous, not voltage. if it was possible (i'm sure someone will go on a google search now) to measure the amperage of a capacitor it would be in milli-nano seconds. way back in electronics school we used to zap each other, usually on the back of the neck, (on the sly) with 700v charged capacitors and no one suffered more than 1 second.

i suppose if your capacitor was the size of a house it would be possible. my electronics teacher used to plug in a lamp cord, arc it to show it was hot then hold on to it with both hands to prove he wouldn't die from it. then offer it to the students - no takers of course haha.

monday while wiring my brother's auto transfer sw i accidentally got a hold of 240v 400a service. i'm still here

You are exactly right it’s not voltage but amperage that will KILL you. It only takes a minuscule about and I wouldn’t want to find out. I have family that are electricians and high voltage line man. I forgot the numbers but it would surprise you how little it is.
You are very lucky with you transfer switch mishap. With high amps it’s more of a explosion than shock! U Should have bought a lottery ticket!

 

[Mitch Alsup]

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I'm assuming you know more then me about how these "caps" work however by your statement it would seem that might not be the case.....So I may be wrong here but this is what I learned and if this is not correct please kindly explain where my mistake is.....

A Cap is a fast discharge power storage device (a kind of "battery" that both very quickly charges and then is capable of expelling its total stored power charge all at once in a split second) correct?

Not quite::

A capacitor is a device used to store charge. The amount of charge stored is linearly dependent on the voltage across the terminals of the capacitor.

A battery is a device used to store charge. The amount of charge stored is not linearly dependent on the voltage across the terminals of the battery.

There are fast capacitors--that the military uses to put energy into big lasers. Here a 1 farad 2000V capacitor can discharge in 1 nanosecond (1/1,000,000 of a second) This is fast ! 1/60 of a second is SLOW.

There are a range of medium speed capacitors used in radio

And there are slow capacitors used in motor control--this is what we are talking about--slow capacitors operate at a rate commensurate with human activities.

Motor capacitors are oil/fluid filled dielectric capacitors. The fluid increases the capacitance and decreases the size and cost of the capacitor. Electrolytic capacitors do not have anything resembling speed and when used as the backing capacitor in an energy delivery system and backed up with a host of faster and smaller capacitors in order to deliver energy at low impedance at high frequencies.

So If this is correct, that would mean had this motor been plugged in recently (which we know it was) then the likelyhood that one if not both of those caps will indeed be energized and will definitely give you a good shock unless it is somehow discharged. According to the OP's statement, "The white one arced with good snap" confirms it was in Fact energized and would have done more then make you hit your elbow!
Yes capacitors will usually slowly de-Energize over a period of time however how long that takes depends on how the circuit is wired
I am aware that not all caps will be "Dangerous" to the human body however I do know they can produce a big enough Bite to kill someone as well or at least its theoretically possible and I'm not willing to test that theory myself.

Electrolytic capacitors rarely store energy for more than a few seconds after being turned off.
The capacitors in a 26KV TV tube power supply can hold a charge for MONTHS without self discharge.

 

[cg285]

You are exactly right it’s not voltage but amperage that will KILL you. It only takes a minuscule about and I wouldn’t want to find out. I have family that are electricians and high voltage line man. I forgot the numbers but it would surprise you how little it is.
You are very lucky with you transfer switch mishap. With high amps it’s more of a explosion than shock! U Should have bought a lottery ticket!

nah, i'm ahead on the lottery - never played but i've (and others) have been shocked many, many times without issues.. i have found that those who have little understanding about electricity are scared poopless.

no one has every been killed by a capacitor - unless someone saying boo will kill you

and actually i stated it wrong. technically it is current that CAN kill you but the way i see it you can't have current without amps so it's just the way you say it.

i occasionally, but repeatedly, work on electric motors and a/c units and have yet to find a capacitor charged after power is pulled. for me to charge one i would have to power the unit up and while powered up remove one wire

 

[Silverbullet]

If you get the right range on the capacitors your ok. Better American made will last longer , I'd buy a spare since there cheap and easy repair . I don't think they have a shelf life if they do I bet it's a real long time.

 

[COMachinist]

OK, I'll jump in here, also.
A few months ago, I started getting ready to think about a 3-phase/VFD mod for my 932.
I already have a VFD, so a motor & some assorted stuff seemed like all that was necessary.
First thing I did was to remove the existing motor and do some measuring and create a napkin sketch.
After doing that, I contacted Electric Motor Wholesale near me in Delaware. (Good People, and Good Prices).
I decided on a 2 HP metric motor. I cannot remember the name of the salesman (Paul, I think). We went through several motors, & he told me that nothing bigger than 1 HP had the shaft size that was on the existing motor. WTF,??????
(I'm going from memory, now.) I think that the existing motor has a 19mm shaft, and every 1.5, 2, & 3 HP in the catalogs have 24mm shafts.
This obviously creates a problem. His best idea was to purchase the motor that I wanted and disassemble it & turn the end of the shaft down and re-cut the keyway. I did not do anything, yet. 3-phase motors are supposedly very simple and do not employ the centrifugal switch as in single phase motors. I DO NOT KNOW!! Since I have a lathe, it would seem to be a relatively simple procedure, except that it just hurts to even think about butchering a new $260 motor.
Here is a link to a 1.5 HP motor that I believe fits.
http://www.electricmotorwholesale.com/LEESON-192065/
Here is a link to a 2,0 HP motor.
http://www.electricmotorwholesale.com/LEESON-192206/

After opening either of the links, look for the "files" button (near the left center) and open it. Then open the "motor drawing". That gives all the dimensions.

Best to you
Jerry in Delaware

Yep looked at that thread and it just ended with no resolution. It was a dead end didn't say if the conversion was done or if the motor worked. That is the problem here a lot of these threads end without useful information. I'm not buying another motor just to see if it will work. I also saw another thread about a Chinese motor from Matt that was a drop in but here again no other info on how it worked out, or if the motor lasted. or is it like most other Chinese motors that let the smoke out a week after you install them. Someone ask why the gear can't be bored to 24mm and keyed for the new shaft but no other info on doing that either. So I don't no anything more than when I started out. darn we are machinist of sort, right why not make a new gear?
Also I took the caps in to town to every electrical and motor store including Grainger and no one had a cap that would work or so I was told. They all said it was weird size cap 200uF 250 Volts, the only caps at 200uF was 125 volts. I did find a 200uF 330 volt cap but has to be ordered which I did, that should be here in a week of so,just to get the mill going until I can get the VFD/motor, bearings and belt drive done then I want have to worry about hung chow electronics. Besides this mill has leaked oil from the day I uncrated it, The quality of these mills are not better than any other Chinese junk. I just wanting the machine to work when I turn it on. I 'm not in business I'm just a hobby shop doing stuff around the farm here, I am sick and tired having to work on, repair reseal clean up oil spots all over the mill just drill and thread a hole. If I had the room I would have bought a nice reman Bridgeport, with out a second thought. to bad nobody in the states makes a good hobby sized mill.
Thanks
CH

 

[Muskt]

CH, I did not complete the mod. My existing motor is still running OK, & I just didn't feel like spending more money--YET.

All of the measurements appeared that the two motors I provided links to would fit, except for the shaft size. I feel that if/when I do replace the motor, I will go with the "turn the shaft" option instead of fabbing an adapter and riser. It looks like the motor would need to be raised somewhere around 3 inches--give or take a bit.

On a side note. I moved to Delaware from Alaska a little over 3 years ago. While living up there, I had a Grizz lathe (10 years), & Grizz mill (6 years), and Grizz bandsaw (7-8 years). I repowered the Grizz lathe with a Dayton DC motor & controller and repurposed the original motor. All of the original motors functioned properly. Now here in Delaware, I have a PM 1236--I did change the motor on it; but repurposed the original motor to a homemade 2x72 belt grinder. I also have the PM932 mill, and a Harbor Freight band saw with original motors. I am not saying that those Chinlee motors are great/wonderful/perfect; however, all 6 of mine worked. You may be the victim of the Chinlee equivalent of a "Friday just before quitting time" built motor.

You mentioned an oil leak on the mill. Where? Mine started dripping off the head, near the right front corner about 2-3 months ago. It was getting progressively worse. I removed both shifter levers (pin punch) and the faceplate. The leak was coming from the 1-2-3 lever shaft. I emailed Matt, with the description and part number (from the manual). 3 days later 2 new seals arrived with no invoice or bill. Easy fix.

I hope you get it sorted out, & I understand your frustrations.

Best to you,
Jerry in Delaware.

 

[COMachinist]

Hi Jerry
Yea thanks for sharing the info. My oil leak is also at the right front corner as well. over night it will leak a spot about the size of a golf ball it is getting to be a pain for sure. this mill sat in the crate for about 13 mo while I got the shop ready for it's install. I had a hip replacement and shoulder surgery over that time and could not do much in the shop so it sat. All of the oil leaked out of the head during that time man what a mess. I think I'll convert to a belt drive get rid of the gearbox and oil and replace spindle bearings for the VFD. Ill most likely use a timing belt and pulleys like I used on my CNC conversion mill.
Thank
CH