Move 3800-Pound Lathe in Penske Truck?

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I have a 3800-pound lathe and a Chaiwan Bridgeporty mill, plus a vertical compressor. I need to move them 300 miles and have them put down in my workshop.

My original quote, for these machines plus a heavy drill press and a vertical band saw, was $4000, which was not great, but acceptable. I moved the band saw and drill press myself and called again. This time: $7700. I called another outfit, and they're talking $7000.

A guy from the second company suggested I rent a Penske truck, have the machines loaded by a rigger, drive the machines here myself, and have another rigger unload them.

Does this sound realistic? I'm amazed to hear that riggers can put a 7-foot-long lathe into an ordinary Penske truck that isn't a flatbed. I'm also surprised that it can be done in such a way that the load will be stable enough for an amateur to handle.
 

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I think I would buy or rent a trailer and do the job myself for that price . You could rent a forklift to load the trailer up .
 

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I can't do rigging alone. I don't have help, and I don't have the knowledge to fasten the machines down correctly.
 

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It is all too easy to have machines tip over in transit or slide off the forks of a forklift; it has never happened to me personally, but there were a few close calls, I have hired riggers to move my larger machines, up to 19,000 lbs, and it was money well spent.
 

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You can stuff the machines in there with a reach forklift. But the problem I see is tying the machines down for transport. Most of those trucks do not have any tie down points. A flatbed trailer and a 3/4 or 1 ton pickup would be my choice.
 

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I know some people hire tilt-bed tow trucks to move heavy equipment. They have a heavy duty winch to pull it on, though getting it off could be interesting. No idea what it would cost but surely waaaay less than $7000, just pay him well and provide some big-ass straps.

If not that, then rent a drop-bed trailer and move it yourself. It's not hard to tie down stuff, just "be the load" and visualize what it's going to try and do, then add straps to prevent it.
 

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Personally I would rent a drop deck trailer (also known as a hydraulic ground level trailer), and pull it with a pickup truck. Several rental companies offer them in a multitude of sizes. Here's a link to one available from United rental.


I used a smaller single axle one to move my Sheldon lathe about 150 miles. I had the trailer 3 days and the total cost was less than $150.00

Here are a couple pictures of the lathe on the trailer. In the first one the trailer is in the up position ready to be towed. In the second one the trailer bed is lowered to unload the machine. The last picture shows how 1" diameter bars were placed under the cabinets to roll in onto and off of the trailer.

This is a single axle model with only a 5,000 lb. capacity. The larger ones are dual axle, up to 14' long, and can handle 10,000 lbs.

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Pretty much as stated above - paying the riggers at each end is a good idea, have some doubts about the Penske truck (vs a trailer or flatbed).
Riggers are not cheap, but from a safety standpoint having them deal with the machines is the way to go.
 

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If renting a trailer is an option for you, the link below will show you the type of trailer I recommend. The deck lowers essentially to the ground with only slight grade. Search your local rental yards for availability Of a unit with adequate GVWR. Even if you had to rent a truck to tow it and all new tie downs, I suspect you can save 1/2 of the $7K.

Trailer type reference, many brands available.

Edit; Others posted while I was working on mine. Excuse the redundancy.
 

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Reminds me of the priceless instagram video seen recently: a major hauling truck rounding a bend with clearly too much weight behind it. Front wheel rose up in the air, the truck rolled to the verge, then slowly, even in full braking mode, rolled backwards until it flipped over. Classic video as long as it's not you...

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Guessing about #7000 total Thats right about the legal limit for a 26' non cdl 25,999 gvw penske truck. Most of those truck have some e track in them for securing loads not ideal for equipment but if you package it correctly you could move your machines that way. I would suggest if you go forward to build some skids and secure the machines to the skids with lags cribbing and straps. Use cribbing and straps inside the truck to secure the skidded machines. I moved my entire shop like this only about 30 miles but many trips
 

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Definitely a roll off truck for me ! My guy charges $80.00/hour. 600 miles . 20 hours tops. $1600.00. You wouldn’t have to lift a finger or deal with weigh scales, DOT officers.
As long as the machines are accessible he can winch them on and chain down and be on his way. The only iffy part is the compressor and Bridgeport are top heavy for winching on. I know my guy could do it. Just get a reputable roll off company. Should be able to get them on one load for sure.
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The Penske truck holds 10,000 lbs. according to their site.

The riggers on both ends seem convinced the truck will not be a problem, but then they're not going to be driving them.

They got back to me with prices for loading and unloading. One one end, $1800. On the other, $3100. So $4900 plus around $800 for a truck and fuel. I'm at $5700, best case. When the price is already that high, $7000 doesn't look so bad.

The $3100 guy said the reason it's so high is that they will be coming from Jacksonville, and I'll be paying their hourly rate both ways.

This is all pretty amazing. When I had my mill delivered, it was $450. They did a bad job, but still. I would have thought $1200 would be high for just putting a machine on a truck.

The idea of a roll-off truck is not too appetizing. I've seen how they tear machines up. I sold a crummy Clausing lathe to a guy, and he used a roll-off truck.

Right now I'm trying to get someone close by to unload the truck. That should drop the price down near $4000, which won't quite make me throw up.
 

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I would have to rent quite a forklift to put a 2-ton lathe into a box truck.
 

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Herc Rentals in my area has fork lifts up to 20,000lb payloads for rent. Make some calls.
$4,000-$7,000 is absolutely rediculous.
 

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I'm not ready to shove a 2-ton lathe sideways into the small opening of a box truck, six feet off the ground. I moved my band saw and drill press, and I'm not afraid to move my compressor, but I'm not willing to learn rigging on a job like this.
 

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The last Penskee truck I rented, had wooden rails along the sides of the box. 1"x 2" Oak rails, backed up by a fiberglass panel is not going to hold a 2 ton lathe. It would take a lot of cribbing, and knowledge of moving forces to secure such a combination.



I would have to rent quite a forklift to put a 2-ton lathe into a box truck.
I agree, and if you are not experienced, this is not the time to learn.
 

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Herc Rentals in my area has fork lifts up to 20,000lb payloads for rent. Make some calls.
$4,000-$7,000 is absolutely rediculous.
I agree . I rented a Baker-York years back with a side shuttle for nearly next to nothing . Put in 2 large lathes , a BP , big arse horizontal band saw , compressor , bead blaster etc . into the basement . Took less than an hour total . The rental truck guy just stayed at my house until I was done .
 

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Bob Korves and I with one more friend moved a 15"x 50" Colchester, A 3hp Sharp TMV mill and B&S Micromaster.
The 5,500 # payload forklift made it easy. I think the mill is 3,300#.
Do yourself a favor and check out forklift rentals.
The lift was dropped off on a Friday, they picked it up Monday morning. The whole thing cost me less than $200.
OK, I'm done.
Dave is very experienced (mmcmdl) it really isn't a big deal.
 

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That sounds great, but you're talking about three people, and I'm going to be alone.

Here, a lift starts at $405.00 per day.
 

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then cough up the cash. Plenty of knowledgeable people have given you good advice about other alternatives, but it appears none of them will work for you.
 

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Eastern Crane and Rigging?
Cheers
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then cough up the cash. Plenty of knowledgeable people have given you good advice about other alternatives, but it appears none of them will work for you.
You apparently did not read the original post. I did not ask for alternatives.
 

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They got back to me with prices for loading and unloading. One one end, $1800. On the other, $3100. So $4900 plus around $800 for a truck and fuel.
That is pretty ridiculous. I had a ~2000lb lathe and a bridgeport delivered for less that half that - loading, a couple hours sitting in traffic, then a few miles on a dirt road and finally navigating a couple hundred yards of unpaved driveway before unloading on an unpaved clearing into a barn.

Might want to ask around (though it sounds like you already have), maybe ask some machine shop owners in the vicinity (if there are any) who they use/recommend, or something. I sure wasn't getting a deal from my guys, but I then again I couldn't find anyone else who would even take on the job.
 

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I moved two 14,000 lb. + machines this year. Tilt bed trailer and an 18,000 lb. electric winch pulled by a 2001 Ford pickup. Slow and careful up and the same coming off. Had a little scare when the milling machine spit a skate out while unloading, but all came out well.

I've worked around farm and industrial equipment all my life and drove big trucks pulling flatbed freight for a while, so I do have experience strapping loads down and driving with heavy loads. I wouldn't really advise somebody with no experience to try to do what I did.

I agree that those prices are crazy, though.
 

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The OP wants the equipment to be “put down” in his shop. It may be that the putting down is the hard part, not the moving. From the OP comments, I suggest you stay away from doing anything and pay the price. Have a beer, watch and learn.
 

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You apparently did not read the original post. I did not ask for alternatives.
That's a little harsh given that you want free advice. The only part of your original post with a question was, "is this realistic?" The terse answer then is, yes it is. Next question.
 

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I always find these types of threads interesting and amusing just because of everyone's different circumstances . There most likely is no correct answer to the OP's question other than is it worth it to YOU to pay the $$$$$ . A 3800 lb. lathe is either a very old piece of American Iron or a very large newer import . The thing I find most interesting is the $80 an hour to haul it . I wouldn't pay ANYONE to move , haul , load , transport , drop etc any tools that I was using in a hobby shop. I'm sorry , but 7 grand is out of the question , but maybe I'm in the wrong business .

Rigging up and moving equipment is no big deal . Consider all machines top heavy and strap accordingly . Moving them into a basement with steps involved would be a task , but not impossible . I would NEVER do it again . You're going to pay getting them in AND out when you sell . I blew the cinderblock wall out of my original place and put a 12' door in to get my machines in there . A forklift is dirt cheap to rent , remember the correct tool for the job rule . It takes one person to operate , not 3 .

I dropped my first lathe on its face when moving it . A slight move and the dolly shifted nearly killing the cat and cracking the concrete floor . 17" x 72" Alpine/ Voest . Couple new handles , a party with a few friends and a few cases of beer was all it took to get 'er back up and running .

I guess the question would be is do you really want to move these things into a basement for that cost ? I sure wouldn't , but I've done many more worsery things than that in the past . :grin:
 
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