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I found a #2 B & S vertical mill local. I have a very small mill drill now and have been looking for a bigger machine. Just how big is this machine height weight and such. Going to check it out tomorrow. Anything to look closely at while I'm there. Owner said it could be powered up but wanted a couple of days to do so. I just want to see if it fits my shop first.
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I do believe they're just about 4000lbs and take-up a little more floor space than a typical Bridgeport. How big is your shop? Do you have any background moving equipment that size?


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I found a #2 B & S vertical mill local. I have a very small mill drill now and have been looking for a bigger machine. Just how big is this machine height weight and such. Going to check it out tomorrow. Anything to look closely at while I'm there. Owner said it could be powered up but wanted a couple of days to do so. I just want to see if it fits my shop first.
Thanks
Tim
 

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I do believe they're just about 4000lbs and take-up a little more floor space than a typical Bridgeport. How big is your shop? Do you have any background moving equipment that size?


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Weighs a lot more than I thought. Shop is 28 x 36 x 12 foot high. I was thinking about the foot print and where I would put it in the shop. I have an over head trolley crane but it's only 1 ton. My older brother and I have moved some big equipment he is a retired Ironworker/ rigger. Me I'm just a welder

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OK, at least you probably have an understand of what it's like to move big stuff. Stuff like this is usually rolled on roller bars but getting on/off the truck is the hard part. Stairs are an obstacle too. If I had to guess, I think you'll need a 5ft square spot to set it down in (and leave it there) plus a couple feet around it.

Many folks find machines this size too difficult to handle and instead try to find a square-column 45 type mill. They are not "knee" mills like what you're looking at or a Bridgeport. That's the next best thing to a "beast" piece of equipment. There are some smaller knee mills too but usually hard to find on the used market.


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Weighs a lot more than I thought. Shop is 28 x 36 x 12 foot high. I was thinking about the foot print and where I would put it in the shop. I have an over head trolley crane but it's only 1 ton. My older brother and I have moved some big equipment he is a retired Ironworker/ rigger. Me I'm just a welder

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Hello Tim,

If I were you, I'd go for it. If the mill is in decent shape and reasonably priced, I wouldn't blink an eye about the weight. Not that I would be nonchalant about it, but no problem if you do your homework and you have a buddy that knows how to handle heavy equipment.

When I finally bought a mill, I was looking mostly at Bridgeports or smaller knee mills. When I saw this one, my first reaction was... :yikes: ... this is waaaay too much mill for me... I got over that pretty quick and am so glad that I bought it...

I used a local tilt-and-tow wrecker to move it. It was a breeze on the purchasing end and a little bit of hard work with a come-a-long at my shop, but I got her moved. I used a rented set of machinery skates on my end and I could push this #3500 machine by myself and steer it into position.


Here's a few pics of the move...

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Let us know what you decide to do....

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Moving it is not a big problem. Think!!! and take it slow and steady. Just making sure it's what I need and not more than I need.

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Great Job!

It's the exact same technique I used for my 5000# Ghisolt Lathe and my 2500# Cincy Mill.
Good job.

Wish I had a clear plan for the 7000# Surface Grinder that I talked Senna into me purchasing.

Congratulations.
 

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Moving it is not a big problem. Think!!! and take it slow and steady. Just making sure it's what I need and not more than I need.

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My shop is about the same size as yours. You will grow into the mill in a hurry ..... :)
 

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Went and checked it out. They had it hooked up so I got to see it under power. It is very old. It is NO.2 cast in the side, but I could not read the serial numbers to many coats of paint. I have searched goggle for a pic but can not find one. The motor is mounted high on the back of the machine with 3 belts going down to an input shaft/ fly wheel on the back of the frame. Could not get the quill to feed under power ( maybe it does not) The table and knee moved under power. Overall I would say fair to good condition really needs cleaned. I mentioned the weight, an older gentleman said 2k I laughed he said they would weigh it. It is a resale company they have over head cranes and scales. 4054 LBS. Ray C whens the grand prize.
Now the questions what taper is the quill can I find tooling. Does anyone have a pdf manual. The couple I have found online are not the correct one. The head is fixed or part of the casting and the motor is mounted on top and drive belts to an input shaft or fly wheel on the back of the casting.

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Hello Tim,

Wow... !!! That's one stout looking mill. Coincidentally, the quill feed on my mill didn't work either, when I bought it. It turned out that the bronze change gear fork had been shredded by some dufous in the past changing the feed rate while running. I made a new change gear fork by reverse engineering and it works like a charm.

Is the price right ?

Brian

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Great Job!

It's the exact same technique I used for my 5000# Ghisolt Lathe and my 2500# Cincy Mill.
Good job.

Wish I had a clear plan for the 7000# Surface Grinder that I talked Senna into me purchasing.

Congratulations.
A 7000# surface grinder... ????

I'd like to see some pics of all of those machines you have... not to hijack Tim's thread...

Brian
 

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I think the price is ok. If I pull the trigger I'll post the price.
 

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Any input or info? Still on the fence trying to decide on the purchase. This is a pic of the actual machine, the electrical box leaning on it is not part of the machine and that is not rust on the table and spindle it is a coating to prevent rust.

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Looks like a hell of a machine. Is the table tight? I usually like to grab the end of it and try to move it back and forth just to see if the gibs have a bunch of wear. I would assume you have already turned the handles and run the table to limits in all directions. It's probably a very smooth machine. I wouldn't hesitate if the price was right. Good luck.

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Well after hours/ days of research I decide it was not for me. I think it is a good machine just to big and old and no information available. It's in Cincinnati if your interested. 450$ yes 450.00$

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That's a hell of a price for that machine if it's all there and in fair working order. I'll bet you could hog out a chunk of steel like butter with that baby.
 

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Well after hours/ days of research I decide it was not for me. I think it is a good machine just to big and old and no information available. It's in Cincinnati if your interested. 450$ yes 450.00$

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Tim
Tim, If it was in the Chicago area I would be all over it. I like big old machines like that. You can get a newer smaller machine with all the bells and whistles but you don't get the rigidity that was built into that machine.

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