New shop. Now I need a lathe and milling machine

The specs for your base holes in mill from https://www.precisionmatthews.com/c.../products/pm-949t?_pos=5&_fid=807fa513b&_ss=c

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You put some grade 8 3/4" bolts in there on some steel pads, your not going to have to worry about rigidity.
 
I may end up having to do something like that, but the issue is see is these will have to be quite long bolts and all thread. Finding those in a grade 8 may be a problem and they won't be cheap. I saw that on the specs but when I asked PM if they could sell me the bolts I was told they don't carry bolts long enough. Also said they were 12mm, which I know is wrong. I may not have a calibrated eye but these holes look 3/4 and are damn sure a lot bigger than 12mm. Once I get everything where I'm sure it's going to live and releveled with shims I may follow the advice of @coolidge and mill some plates to the right thickness to give a good footprint where the weight is on the concrete.

I could also make some 3/4 bolts on the lathe and still use the steel pads, but they wouldn't be grade 8. I suspect any decent steel would work though.

Thanks for the info!
 
I have the leveling feet on the lathe they shipped with it. They work okay. It's the mill I'm dealing with now. Ordered a toe jack to make it easier and just using shims for now. I'll mess with it again when I get the toe jack.

The lathe is on a 15a breaker per specs and it hasn't tripped. It's the inrush that trips the inverter overload but only at 2000 rpm. I guess if I'm doing a lot of aluminum I can flip it over to grid, but I think most of my work will be for steel. 10 awg to the j box then 12 ga romex to the machine. Well within limits for 15a or even 20a. I gotta come up with a better way to run that last 15 ft but I want to make sure I have them where they are going to live first. Don't want to install a bunch of overhead emt then decide to move the machines.

I have quite a bit of experience with solar and have no qualms about running everything in the shop on it. Just takes some tweaking to get it all right.

Appreciate all the feedback and suggestions!
Ah, I skipped a post or something. I put my Bridgeport mill on machined pucks that started as 1" rounds. I faced one side in the lathe, flipped it, and faced the other side to thickness. I made three just alike and a fourth that would make up for the uneven floor. The mill stands on those pucks with nary a wiggle. They are not adjustable and the mill is not perfectly level, but neither of those were requirements.

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I have enough acreage on the roof of my shop to probably generate enough power to operate everything except the floor heating system, but I had run out of money for the shop and all those panels were going to be too costly. And then there's the battery maintenance--just too much additional work. But I was at a former boat-building shop on a fjord on the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska that has lived its whole live with no available grid power. When they were building boats, they used a good-size diesel engine as the generator (and also to power a circular-blade sawmill). I know they had plenty of power from that generator--there is still a very large bandsaw in that shop that probably hasn't been used in 25 years. Now, they use solar panels and the shop is used just for maintaining the property. When I was visiting, I helped them decide what to do with their battery bank that was aging out, and I think they went with LiFePo batteries as the replacement. All that reinforced my judgement: Too much work :)

Rick "but those power bills for the heating system do bite" Denney
 
Tractor Supply more than likely has 3/4"-10 all thread. Cut them the length you need and then weld the nut on top, double nut it, red loctite matters not, instant long bolt fully threaded.

You want to be careful with that toe jack. There are more than a few horror stories of folks laying their machine on it's side. Then it doesn't work so well after that.
 
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You were right, of course. It's a knockoff. Accusize. But still seems to be decent quality and the reviews are good on it. I searched through all my orders and emails and couldn't find it. Then I remembered that I got it as a Christmas gift. Still, not complaining at all.
It will be fine for centering, not so much for checking spindle run out.
 
Tapped for 3/4-10...okay if a guy really wants to put leveling pads on something like that I have a suggestion. You know what there's a huge supply of on ebay used...large quantities of leveling pucks from big scrapped out CNC machines. All manner if sizes.

My bed mill was missing 1 of the 6 and I was able to find an exact match for the missing puck. The advantage of these are they conform to the floor as they are not attached to the leveling bolt, the bolt rests down in a valley. As my garage floor has a significant slope (apparently code so heavier than air gases flow out of the garage) the leveling foot isn't tilted on edge it sits flat.

Just a thought.

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I hit them with a wire brush, primer and paint and they are good to go for another 28 years of service.

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If it's off by that much in a Starrett 98, a 199 will drive the poor guy insane.

But I think a 98 is good enough to level the lathe, and then it matters more that the bed isn't twisted, which presents as cutting tapers. Adjusting the twist to remove tapers measures the performance where it counts.

Rick "South Bend shows leveling lathes in their installation guides back in the day using a Starrett 98" Denney
Sorry I have been trying to get my lathe level all morning, what?
 
Sorry I have been trying to get my lathe level all morning, what?
I'm not sure exactly where you are, so let me summarize and I apologize if I assume something incorrectly:

Getting the lathe to be level is a means to an end, and that end is that the tailstock and the spindle share a centerline and both are parallel to the carriage motion along the bed. The result is that turning a cylinder will create a cylinder with the same diameter on both ends--that is--without taper.

Twisting the bed along its length will rotate the tailstock center laterally with respect to the spindle center, which is the same as offsetting the tailstock. This is a bigger effect than the twist has directly on the carriage. We know its happening when we perform a two-collar test and get different diameters at both ends of a cylinder.

We can achieve a flat bed using a level, but the objective isn't necessarily a level bed, but rather a straight bed. If the lathe refuses to be level because of a crown on the floor, trying to make it level might be harder than just making it straight--so that the level reads the same on both ends even if not level.

My statement was really aimed at going beyond the leveling capability of the 98, for which each mark is 0.005"/foot. We can probably estimate fifths between each mark, or maybe quarters, so when comparing both ends of the bed, we can depend on an accuracy probably close to a thou per foot or maybe a smidge worse. If we are turning a 3-foot cylinder--the longest my lathe can turn between centers--that could mean that the bed is twisted by maybe 0.003 over that length (if the read error is 0.0015 wrong in one direction at the headstock and 0.0015 wrong in the opposite direction at the tailstock). That's rather precise!

At that point, the next step, it seems to me, is to perform a two-collar test and do the final adjusting to eliminate taper directly rather than trying to do better with levels, because now you are directly measuring the error you are trying to eliminate by leveling. If the tail end of the two-collar workpiece is thinner than the head end, the tailstock is pushed back--drop the front tail leg a tiny bit. If it's fat, go the other way. Of course, before doing that, the tailstock has to be aligned laterally to the headstock when it's up at the headstock (versus at the tail of the bed), and you can do that by trapping a razor blade between centers--when the are aligned, the razor blade will be held between them at right angles to the centerline.

The 199 is extremely finicky and requires a lot of settle time. Until the bed is pretty close to level with a 98, the 199 will move the bubble so far off-center that you won't be able to see it. Breathing on it will make the bubble move. That's what I meant by driving a person crazy.

Rick "this is a lot harder when there is bed wear, like I have" Denney
 
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