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I've needed a vice but was torn on what to buy . Today I ran across both of these for sixty bucks. The tilt model had junk written on it so it's fate is certain both the other one works great a little worn but the jaws look great.
I either did ok or I'm sixty further away from my goal?
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I think you did very well :) Those vices will clean up remakably... I wish that I could find stuff like that around here...

Cheers :)

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Looks like a good buy to me.:thumbzup3:
 

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I'd say you made $40~60 over the total purchase just on the 2nd picture depending on the size.
 

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The jaw opening is 6 " wide and it opens up to 6" . There are no markings other than a tag on the side missing .
I normally don't find any thing good at sales I went to look at a south Bend lathe and that wasn't what I wanted.
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Take that tilt apart before you discount it. Nice find
 

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Turn the 6 inch over, and look for a D-6 on the bottom, it could be a Kurt. The tilt vice could be a Palmgren.
 

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I have enough vices... A new vise, that I could use.
 

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Very good buy. Both will clean up great. The only way that either one would be junk is if they were broken.
 
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Don't scrap the tilting vise, surface rust won't hurt a vise....well...because it's a vise. It's probably literally bulletproof. At the very least coat it with oil and put it away in a corner. You'll forget about it, and you or somebody else will find it someday and might like it then. I hate to hear about people scrapping things, a sad end to a tool that may have seen so much use and care.

You can never have too many vises!
 
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The Adj. Angle Vice is no where near as bad as you think. Take it apart and soak the parts in EvapoRust overnight. It will be good as new in the morning. HF has EvapoRust and many of the Big Box stores do also.

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Dont scrap the tilt vice, if you dont want it p.m. me and we can work out a deal!

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Thanks guys I soaked it in WD40 right away and last night I gave it a turn. It works ! There is some slop in the handle about a half turn before my eye sees movement. The hex nut you put a wrench on is twisted.
I've been insulating my barn so I can afford to heat it all winter . When done I plan to work on my mill and both vises .
 

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Thanks guys I soaked it in WD40 right away and last night I gave it a turn. It works ! There is some slop in the handle about a half turn before my eye sees movement. The hex nut you put a wrench on is twisted.
Something that will work much better than WD40 for freeing rusted parts is a 50/50 mixture of transmission fluid and acetone.

I've been insulating my barn so I can afford to heat it all winter . When done I plan to work on my mill and both vises .
Thanks for this bit of inspiration. I'll try to finish my "play room".

I restore vises as a hobby & sideline. Below are pictures of a before & after restoration of 100+ year old Reed bench vise that was my biggest challenge. It had been laying in the dirt, behind a barn for 20+ years. This vise was truely locked up. Now it is a high quality shop centerpiece.

So, please do what you can to save that old arn, you'll be glad you did.


Happy Trails!


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Great finds!!

And if jpfab ends up not wanting it, I'm in line.
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Thanks for this bit of inspiration. I'll try to finish my "play room".

I restore vises as a hobby & sideline. Below are pictures of a before & after restoration of 100+ year old Reed bench vise that was my biggest challenge. It had been laying in the dirt, behind a barn for 20+ years. This vise was truely locked up. Now it is a high quality shop centerpiece.

So, please do what you can to save that old arn, you'll be glad you did.


Happy Trails!
Very nice hard to believe they are the same vise very nice work ! I will try your mix to free up the base and swivel. What do you use for the clean up process ? I wouldn't think wire brush would be ideal for the machine surfaces ?
I'm a ways off from starting on them but it don't hurt to plan ahead .
 

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I bought a tilting vise like that one made in Asia many years ago from Wholesale Tool. I just treated it like a set of castings,and took a light truing cut over the pertinent surfaces. There are gib screws you can adjust to reset for the little bit you take off. I still have it. It is not the most rigid pattern of tilting vise. Just take lighter cuts with it and it will do well.
 

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Very nice hard to believe they are the same vise very nice work ! I will try your mix to free up the base and swivel. What do you use for the clean up process ? I wouldn't think wire brush would be ideal for the machine surfaces ?
I'm a ways off from starting on them but it don't hurt to plan ahead .
The most important thing to restoring a vise...like any other piece of equipment is extreme patience. It took a couple of months to do the restoration that I pictured above. Mainly because of the risk of damaging components.
After I separated all of the components, I used a braided wire cup wheel on an air sander and a braided wire wheel on a bench grinder to remove the rust. The bare metal details were polished with Scotch-Brite pad disks mounted to a small air grinder.
Painting, detailing, & clear coating, I'm sure that you know the drill.

Your vises don't look in that bad shape. I would guess that it would take a couple of weeks to restore. A lot of time to wait for the paint to dry.

I've said this in other vise related posts, check out "vises of garage journal" to get some great information.

Vise restoration is an addiction.
 

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Thanks for this bit of inspiration. I'll try to finish my "play room".

I restore vises as a hobby & sideline. Below are pictures of a before & after restoration of 100+ year old Reed bench vise that was my biggest challenge. It had been laying in the dirt, behind a barn for 20+ years. This vise was truely locked up. Now it is a high quality shop centerpiece.

So, please do what you can to save that old arn, you'll be glad you did.


Happy Trails!

Great job on the old timer Mark !! I don't restore them, but I do add them to the pile when stumbled upon cheaply at an auction or yard sale. Most recent was a huge (by my standards) blacksmiths vice. $6.00 isn't going to break me. It too was stuck solidly and took a lot of effort to free up. I don't know what their proper name is, but we had one in our blacksmith shop when I was a kid. Yep, I have that one too and it currently serves as my welding vice. Dad always said it was old when he was a kid and he was born in 1909. I do not know how to "date" them either.
 

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Great job on the old timer Mark !! I don't restore them, but I do add them to the pile when stumbled upon cheaply at an auction or yard sale. Most recent was a huge (by my standards) blacksmiths vice. $6.00 isn't going to break me. It too was stuck solidly and took a lot of effort to free up. I don't know what their proper name is, but we had one in our blacksmith shop when I was a kid. Yep, I have that one too and it currently serves as my welding vice. Dad always said it was old when he was a kid and he was born in 1909. I do not know how to "date" them either.

Thank you for your kind words. Unfortunatelly, vintage vises are extremly under valued. Although blacksmith vises are out of my area, you got a great deal at 6$. I mostly see them go for around 100$
 
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The Kurt looking vise was made by Yuasa under license by Kurt back around 1978-1980 something. I have one of them dad bought back in 1980. Still in nice shape. I've since replaced it with a newer D-60 Kurt vise.

The tilting vise looks like a Enco brand they sold way back then. Not positive on that, though.

Both a nice find.
 

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I've needed a vice but was torn on what to buy . Today I ran across both of these for sixty bucks. The tilt model had junk written on it so it's fate is certain both the other one works great a little worn but the jaws look great.
I either did ok or I'm sixty further away from my goal?
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I think your tilt vise in an Enco. tilt vise 2.jpg tilt vise 1.jpg

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I've needed a vice but was torn on what to buy . Today I ran across both of these for sixty bucks. The tilt model had junk written on it so it's fate is certain both the other one works great a little worn but the jaws look great.
I either did ok or I'm sixty further away from my goal?
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Looks like you got a good buy there, both look like they have great potential, just need a bit of TLC. Cheers David
 

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I tore into the tilt vise today wasn't too bad . The tilt locking bolt is stripped and the wedge block is missing. really the only other issue is the hex shaft . The worm gear is nice and tight really it looks like it wasn't used much.
I'm really lost on how to fix the hole thats stripped out ? The base is cast iron so it cant be welded maybe a helicoil ? I plan to heat up the hex part and straighten it.

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I thought for a minute clear coating this
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Is there enough casting all around the hole that would allow you to tap/turn a larger size?
Possibly even using the same pitch, just a larger diameter.
I've also heard of machine tool rebuilders using moglice. Rumor is that there are multiple similar products available.
I haven't done it, don't know if this is an appropriate application.
Here is a link: http://www.moglice.com/
At the very least their Moglice Handbook is an interesting read.
I'd try the larger diameter, same pitch first, stay with acme or whatever it is.

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Is there enough casting all around the hole that would allow you to tap/turn a larger size?
Possibly even using the same pitch, just a larger diameter.
I've also heard of machine tool rebuilders using moglice. Rumor is that there are multiple similar products available.
I haven't done it, don't know if this is an appropriate application.
Here is a link: http://www.moglice.com/
At the very least their Moglice Handbook is an interesting read.
I'd try the larger diameter, same pitch first, stay with acme or whatever it is.

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Thank you for the link I will have to check to see if it can be tapped ? I was tired last night but today I'm ready. I was thinking if I turn down a nut to look like a top hat and bore the base so it slips in from the bottom ? I would think an odd shape like hex with epoxy would do it ?
 
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