Problem with pm932m quickly resolved by Matt

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Still waiting apparently my parts were sent to someone else and I got his and he's gone on business so he can't send them. I was offered a refund and I can pay the difference for a bigger machine lol which does nothing for me. if I wanted the more expensive machine I would have done that in the first place. I ordered the machine and got everything setup so I would have an extra source of income while recovering from back surgery. besides what I saved since I'm self employed because that's something I could still do was sit at my lathe and mill and do small light stuff but since this happened I've lost out on extra income since I sold my other mill like 2 days before this all happened which left me screwed they ordered another spindle from the factory this is getting very old
 
Look at the positive though! ****ty situation for sure. But they're working with you and you'll have a spare spindle. Since you know they're shipping one out. It sounds like a perfect opportunity for you to try and regrind the original. Alittle learning, alittle practice, you never know you could surprise yourself!
 
Considering, your first drawbar stripped and the replacement drawbar threads with difficulty in the spindle, my guess is that the R8 socket was not machined correctly. The draw bar is long enough that a slight bend would still allow it to screw into the collet but a misaligned R8 socket would prevent the drawbar from starting into the collet threads properly. It would also be a prime suspect for the threads stripping. Looking at your old posts, you have had this problem from day one.

I find that providing hard evidence of issues helps dramatically with getting speedy resolutions. One bit of armament for you would be to measure runout of the R8 socket and/or a test pin mounted in the spindle. I would measure the runout close to the face of the collet and several inches from the face. If you have an angular misalignment, the runout should increase dramatically as you move away from the collet.

Since the machine is only five months old, if it were me, I would press for a replacement spindle shipped out with expedited shipping. If they can't resolve the problem in a speedy manner, they should be shipping a new machine, picking up the shipping both ways. PM ppears to have a good reputation in the forums that I visit. I'm sure that they don't want to see their reputation tarnished.
 
BTW, it looks like the PM932 is the same as the Grizzly G0755. I had to replace the set screw in the 755 as it had worked in with use, preventing collets from being seated. I machined a dog point on a socket head cap screw so the point was properly positioned when the screw was fully seated. This preventing the screw from moving inward and interfering with the collet.
 
I just want to comment, yes the customer has been waiting, but I have been trying like hell to get it resolved.

1. Had his machine for about 4 months, said he had a problem, said they think its the spindle. No problem, said I will send him a spindle, this was at the beginning of the month. I still dont know 100% if thats it, but a person I know from the forums was helping him, he said thats probably what it is, I never questioned it. Not worth it, would rather just fix the problem.
2. Spindle sent from the factory about 10 days later, should deliver 3-4 days. Not a big deal. He did not receive it, so he emailed me.
3. According to tracking that anyone can see, some problem with customs hold up, not sure of the delay, tracking changed after a couple days, on the way.
4. Delivered, said the parts were wrong. I emailed the people at the factory, they said no way, another shipment was sent to another customer the same day, his has no customs hold up so it was delivered 4/30. I have never had a problem with this factory before, they said it was fedex or customs that mixed them up. Either way, I don't know, it happened. Never heard from that other customer that he had the wrong parts, so I emailed him, no reply. Called and he said he was out on the road working, would check with his son. I did not hear back. Already ordered a new spindle, and on the way, the customer knows this and has that tracking.

I also was also looking to have his spindle ground to fix the taper, I have a local place that can do that. But he did not have it out yet to send to me, so that was not an option. Again, I was trying to get him going.

And the offer I made was to send it back and exchange towards another machine because he kept saying he was in dire need of a mill. I tried to have options. Or send it back for a refund if you arent happy. Thats fine too. Whatever you want. I'm easy.

A model I mentioned was the 833T. Stuff like this doesnt happen on machines from Taiwan. I had it in stock. But they cost more.

Chinese machines are OK, Taiwan machines are great. To be honest, I wish I didn't have to sell Chinese machines. But people buy them because they are cheap. Every single day I am on them about quality. Every single day its something. The ones we have from China are a lot better than places who are not on them about quality, but China is China.

Yes it is taking a lot longer than I wanted it to, but I am doing what I can to get it there. It sucks when I have to depend on others half way around the world, who knows who made the first mistake, who knows why the other customer will not get back to me.

I would not be happy either, it sucks, but the new one is almost there. It sucks as bad for me, I probably have 50 emails back and forth about a damn spindle that should be so easy, I send one email to order, they send me tracking, and delivered. But no, someone had to screw up somewhere, and this happened. The best part? I pay for 2 spindles. Its never their fault.

And I said I wanted the old spindle back, because I want to see what happened and try to prevent that in the future. Ill send it back and you can do what you want with it after I see it.

I would post the tracking here, but it shows their personal addresses when you do track it, and I don't want to give that out. But he is free to do that if he would like.

Want to avoid all of this? My advice, buy one of our machines from Taiwan. If I didn't have to sell machines from China, my life would be a hell of a lot easier.
 
Your a straight shooter Matt. Things are out of your control. A bad day for a shift overseas and you get the brunt of it. Sometimes patience is needed on the customers end to give you a chance to resolve things. It s a hard place to be in in today s world. Blown away by your honest response. Good luck to both of you!
 
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Want to avoid all of this? My advice, buy one of our machines from Taiwan. If I didn't have to sell machines from China, my life would be a hell of a lot easier.

The worst part is the person who buys a cheap(er) Chinese machine and expects it to be the same quality level of the Taiwan machine. And then complains loudly/cries when it isn't. And it's all your fault Matt... ;)

Hope you have a better day today, and thanks for the explanation.
 
I have no problem with people expecting it to be right, even though its cheaper, I want it to be right too. But if its not, I do what I can to fix it, sometimes it takes a bit of time, like in this case. But its not a case of me sitting around and ignoring people or forgetting to order something (Like so many stories I hear about with some other machinery companies). Its just a case of what was in the last post. If everything was right all the time, that would just be too easy, I'd be sitting on a beach somewhere a lot more often ha ha All I can promise is that if there is a problem, it is taken care of. Maybe not overnight, but as fast as we possibly can, depending on others. Emailing the people at the factory 10 times a day isn't going to make that fedex plane move any faster. I wish I could do that.

I deal with the made in China Price and wanting Made in Taiwan quality every day. Nothing to do with this customer, I just mean customers overall, the machines, and people from Taiwan are much more of a pleasure to deal with. There are a few things here and there but overall not much. And the customers who buy the machines from Taiwan normally only call to tell me how nice they are and they are glad they spent the extra money.
 
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You probably have it listed, but how do I as a buyer know when I’m shopping on line which machine is from Taiwan and which is from China?
 
If its from Taiwan, it will say Taiwan. If not, then its from China. They are the only 2 choices, 95% of what you see out there is from China if it is from anyone else, most companies do not have the higher end machines from Taiwan, but we do have some. I am working on more, but its a slow process. And the price is higher for sure
 
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