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What you are seeing is not one days work but rather six days work. I don't like CAD programs so I do everything with pencil and paper. There are 31 separate drawings for the Rail Gun I plan to build. I just finished an hour ago. These are with the recommended changes.

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Did you receive the original drawings in electronic or printed form? Are they attainable by the general public, i.e. me?

Did you make changes to suit your personal preferences, or were there deficiencies/mistakes in the originals? Just being nosy Bill... :)
 

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Your post is unclear, do you dislike a CAD program outputting 30 drawings or dislike spending 6 days constructing manual drawings?
 
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Let me make it clear, I HATE CAD, period. I find no pleasure in trying to decipher prints before I can build. I have yet to find any standard to them. There is nothing I like better than to sit down and work at the drafting table. For me it's half the project.

"Billy G"
 
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Manually drawing out a project has a certain therapeutic effect, doesn't it Bill? I must admit that I do most of my stuff with CAD, but every once in a while it is nice to sit down and do one using 'traditional' methods.
 
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I find as I am getting older that things can tire me out easily. Not so at the board. I can work for hours and be just as relaxed when done as I was when I started.

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Let me make it clear, I HATE CAD, period. I find no pleasure in trying to decipher prints before I can build. I have yet to find any standard to them. There is nothing I like better than to sit down and work at the drafting table. For me it's half the project.

"Billy G"
Much like yourself I enjoy the design process more then making the actual product for the most part, however I do like the ability to completely change the approach to a project without having to start the drawings from scratch. I also drew everything on large paper in the past, the ability to make drastic changes in the middle of a design is what encouraged me to adopt CAD in the late 80's early 90's. Much software at that time was simply drafting made easy to change at any time. Many old software manufacturers now give away the 2D drafting components. An excellent example is Draft Sight by Dassault Systèmes, free and purely a drafting system which should not be confused with Computer Aided Manfacturing.
 
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Yes Andre, I got the Video. It helped me button this one up. Caliber will be 6 mm PPC. Thank you for the help.

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6mm PPC. Interesting little cartridge. Based off a Russian cartridge if I recall. Very, very accurate too. Perfect. :)
 
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Full Sized Action and rear rail bearings. This is all I will show you for now. LOL

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Sooooo you never said if prints would be available or not?

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makes me wish I still had my drafting stuff... I do most of my drawings now in digital form just need a plotter to print them... I am starting to learn a new program now to make the drafting side easier. I am hoping to learn solidworks next. I'm interested to see how this build turns out... did you draw this on paper of velum?
 
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Corner radii's not tangent to the straight lines. Don't miss those days at all. What I do miss is designing 2D layouts on the table top board. Electric eraser and erasing shield was your friend back then. The good old days.
 
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....snip... An excellent example is Draft Sight by Dassault Systèmes, free and purely a drafting system which should not be confused with Computer Aided Manfacturing.
I own two full seats of Draftsight professional that I use everyday in my business. It's good, but sometimes I wish I could buy AutoCAD to put in its place. My dream is to own a seat of Solid Works or Inventor! Getting off subject, Sorry!

Can't wait for Bill to offer copies of his drawings for his toy for the rest of us to enjoy!
 
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Got many thousands of hours on the board and the tube. Much rather the tube due to the frustration with the board. The last stuff I did on the board was in reverse, on Velum, with German text....15 days of work to do what I would normally accomplish in a day and half on the tube. I can do things in 2D pretty quick, and am a bit slower in 3D. I kinda miss doing that stuff sometimes.
 
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I am not sure at this point if the prints will ever be available. I would have to pick and choose who does or does not get them. There is a lot of responsibility involved here. This thing can be dangerous. Time will tell.

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It's ready to start building. Materials were ordered this morning. It ain't cheap that's for sure.

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The one above was an eye opener, here are both side and top views. Some parts are left off the top view for clarity.

"Billy G"

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Very nice. Any estimate on what this bad boy is going to weigh? That base is going to be one serious hunk of metal. Stainless?

What material did you and the gunsmith decide on for the receiver? I'm not familiar with that particular cartridge and it's typical peak pressure, but I assume you have a targeted CUP that is safely above the cartridge's max limits. Are you going to have your receiver piezeo'd (tested with piezoelectric pressure sensors)?
 
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Most are made from Aluminum Bill. With that said Aluminum weighs approximately 1.56 ozs./ cubic inch. This will bring the gun in at around 65 lbs, Maybe a little more. Anything needed to be done to the barreled action will be done by the Gunsmith as he sees fit.

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Ah, OK. I had assumed that you were going to make the receiver and build the barreled action yourself. My bad. :)
 

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The main reason I use CAD is because I can store a lot of final prints on a single CD instead of filling a whole filing cabinet with paper prints that may be all marked up with changes made during manufacturing.
 
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I will be talking to you about the CAD thing Bill if this project goes as planned. As for the Barrel and Receiver, although my equipment is up to snuff it will take a Pto to get the results I am after. I have and recognize my own limitations. Now is a good time for a reality check folks. Before you start thinking OK this is a can do and I'd like to try, get one thing in your mind now, COST.

Materials ------------$700.00

Action --------------- $600.00 to $1350.00

Barrel --------------- $350.00 to $650.00

Trigger -------------$150.00 to ???????

You could easily top out a $4000.00 or more. Remember I did not add labor. Use $35.00/ hour and you now hit close to $8000.00.

Do you still want to play??????????

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Being an 03 collector and hobby gunsmith I sometimes pick up old barrels and receivers to bring back to life and can attest that parts alone can sometimes make it more costly than one thinks. The more quality you want the more the cost. When I first started collecting I found out fast to do my homework for parts before taking on a project as it can get quite costly. Let alone doing a project like Billy's.
 
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No, not at the moment. Was there some particular reason for the question?

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The only reason I asked is, there are only 2 events that I know of that shoot rail guns in registered competition.
 
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OK, thanks for the clarification, I thought maybe you saw something I missed.

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Manually drawing out a project has a certain therapeutic effect, doesn't it Bill? I must admit that I do most of my stuff with CAD, but every once in a while it is nice to sit down and do one using 'traditional' methods.

I like both approaches. I did my first manual drawing on my older brother's wood board with T square & triangles when he left engineering school to join the Air Force in '52. I graduated to a parallel rule in '63 and a drafting machine in '66. My first CAD experience was on a Mac IIc computer using Claris Cad. I graduated to AutoCad 2000 and jumped to Mechanical Desktop after that. I currently have my own AutoCad Inventor Light 2012 but only use the 2D program. Of all of them I liked the Mechanical Desktop the best. My favorite "get 'er done" approach for simple parts is using gel pens on cocktail napkins or "kitchen" pencils on any handy paper. For 3D I sketch by hand (cheating all of the time because I have an Industrial Design Degree from an art school) It's all fun.
 
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