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I bought an enco bm-450a at an online auction. I didn't inspect it in person, but it is supposed to run and work correctly. It was a $100, so if it has problems, I am not too hurt. Based on the pictures, it doesn't look like it comes with manual. I looked around on Google for an owners manual with little success. Does anyone happen to know where I could find manual for this?
 

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I’ve found that there are not many resources on tool and cutter operations. I also bought a t&c grinder acouple months ago and have been trying to find as much info on set up and such. If you find anything it would be great to post for the future. Good luck.
 

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Well now I know who to send my dull endmills to. :)

Congrats on the acquisition, at $100 it will be hard to not get your money's worth out of it.
 

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Please send us pics when it arrives. I hope your online auction experience goes better than mine!
 

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Please send us pics when it arrives. I hope your online auction experience goes better than mine!
I will, just need to find time to go pick it up this week or next.
 

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Well now I know who to send my dull endmills to. :)

Congrats on the acquisition, at $100 it will be hard to not get your money's worth out of it.
I’ll dispose of them for you:D:D . Yeah, I figured if the auction company lied and it doesn’t work, I could still part it out on eBay and get my money back
 

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Keep looking. I have a e copy of set up and operation of a Cincinnati t&g,and a set up copy from innovative tool sales out of cali. Both found on the interwebs and free. I figured grinding is the same concept with each machine. It shows a lot of detailed pictures of set-up on just about every tool you’d grind. The key is the accessories that come with a grinder. Luckily mine came fully loaded although I would like a radius attachment which can be made hopefully. It’s been a learning curve for me but once I get it it’s gonna be great. Good luck.
 

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I don't suppose it was it was the buflovac online auction was it? I just scored a t&c grinder and a surface grinder through ther and God willing, I'll pick up tomorrow if all goes according to plan. I suggest looking through vintagemachinery.org as well. I was able to find the manuals I was seeking through such.
 

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I contacted MCS, which seems like they bought Enco. Talked to a very knowledgeable and helpful person there, and he emailed me a manual for the newer model of the grinder I bought. This newer model looks exactly the same, so this manual should work fine.
 

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I took some of your suggestions and looked at other grinder manuals and info, and a lot of them all have similar set ups. And some of those other resources have better pictures of the different operations, so they we're a help. Thanks
 

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Here is the manual, I figure it is okay to share this since they sent it to me for free.
 

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Picked it up this morning. It all seems to be there and as described. Just need to figure out how to use it now.
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That looks pretty much identical to my Kao Ming 1975 year that I just bought. What's your plans for stones? Mine didn't have any and I'm not sure what I should get to start with.
 

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Nice grinders!
 

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That looks pretty much identical to my Kao Ming 1975 year that I just bought. What's your plans for stones? Mine didn't have any and I'm not sure what I should get to start with.

For wheels think of what you wanna grind. Your max wheel size is determined by the machine. Probably a 6 or 7”.
Hub size probably 1 1/4”
Composition your gonna want aluminum oxide for your hss tools
Silican carbide or green wheel for carbides
Diamond for carbides also
Straight thin wheel to get into gullets of teeth or for cut offs
Cup wheels will get you in tight spots also.
This is what I’ve come to find so far.
If either of you are interested I have four right handed hubs for mounting the wheels that I cannot use. Lmk
 

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If either of you are interested I have four right handed hubs for mounting the wheels that I cannot use. Lmk
What do the hubs look like? The shaft on the grinder is 5/8" on both sides and has a right/left thread depending on the side. I wasn't sure I could use a hub and didn't know there was any available.
 

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That looks pretty much identical to my Kao Ming 1975 year that I just bought. What's your plans for stones? Mine didn't have any and I'm not sure what I should get to start with.
I actually haven’t even had a chance to do much of anything with mine yet. I have a six week old baby in the house that takes up a lot of time. I want to use it to sharpen large diameter drill bits, but haven’t looked into stones yet. If it takes the same size as the model grinder that replaced it, then it needs 5 or 6 inch wheels. https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/09519141
 

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What do the hubs look like? The shaft on the grinder is 5/8" on both sides and has a right/left thread depending on the side. I wasn't sure I could use a hub and didn't know there was any available.

Sorry I thought they all had a hub on the spindle to mount the wheel on. The hubs I’m talking of are for counter clock wise rotation. Hub collar/nut spins right hand thread. Sopko’s 3” per foot taper I believe. Arbor in pic is to show taper on hubs. 649F4683-6F50-460A-80E2-BDC98B4C5DE0.jpeg
 

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The one I have the wheel mounts are much more like a bench grinder's mount. metal plates with plastic spacers on a 5/8" shaft. no tapers.

 

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ArsonSmith, a 5/8" shaft mountt is the old school way. After Deckel entered the market, they popularized the taper mount on T&C grinders. Mine is a 5/8" shaft mount as well. Nowadays they all use the Deckel taper...

- Cadillac are you sure you are 3"/12 taper? That would be idyllic! A friend of mine got a T&C grinder with a Deckel taper - sucks B/C the adapters are uncommon and $$$...

Nice grinders, both of you!
 

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3.000 per ft 1” on the big end I believe that’s the most common size and what’s on my Boyer Shultz.
 

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ArsonSmith, a 5/8" shaft mountt is the old school way. After Deckel entered the market, they popularized the taper mount on T&C grinders. Mine is a 5/8" shaft mount as well. Nowadays they all use the Deckel taper...
good to know. I ordered a couple of wheels, one for HSS and one for carbide. Hopefully it'll be enough to get me started.
 

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I still have a bunch of wheels for sale. I'll have to find the price sheet, I was pricing everything at half cost.
 

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Hey solo are the hubs LH or RH. If LH I’d be interested in some of those.
 

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Do you have a list of what wheels are available and cost?
 

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I just got to work, so I'll check on what hubs are left and right. I do have a list, Hmm. shoulda put that on the computer. I'll have to look in my papers. It's close. I can say half or less cost $
 

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It would be worth it to get some hubs and wheels and pay shipping all the way here...
 
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