Cast iron versus granite surface plate

Thank you everyone. I find your responses very helpful and interesting. For the $20 the seller wants I'll take the CI plate. It will be a good learning experience if nothing else.

If I had know it was only 20 bucks I would have saved you a lot of reading and just said go buy it. :lmao:


Now that the OP has spoken on buying the Plate I bid you farewell. As for paying for something and not using it for the purpose it was made for, that's up to the owner.

"Billy G"
 
If you get the iron plate, it can easily be made flat, and providing it was properly manufactured so that it is stress free it won't warp or move. Unless temp differences are introduced. Even so, once temp is equalized, the plate will return to shape. You are still left with the need to qualify it's degree of flatness though. A granite stone of known quality can be used for this if used to show bearing and scraping the plate using it for reference. It's more expensive to repair surface would be preserved if used very sparingly, such as to bring the iron plate into shape for use during scraping, and setting up on for inspecting parts and tools. A trio of iron plates of the same size can be marked against each other and scraped as a set until all three are flat to the degree you need or are capable of making happen. I would probably get the iron plate knowing I would need to get something to check it against before I could use it. I couldn't resist buying it at a deal though. As to Bill's observation, I wonder how the iron plates he used for marking bearing were scraped flat. What method is used to check the plates if not against a stone? Is the three plate method commonly used in scraping to preserve your granite surface? I'm always up for adding tricks to my mental toolbox:)) Ever curious.

I seem to recall from my apprenticeship lessons , that the once the webbed cast marking tables were precision ground with grinders they were then put face to face with another and then lapped flat ... as in ..... whetted with distilled water ,oscillated & moved in circular movements with the top plate being moved about over the bottom plate for a couple of days or so . Apparently this gives you one of the greatest accuracies you can or could get at the time and is much more accurate than scraping . The tables were set on a rigid steel benches and very accurately leveled by using their adjustable feet with engineers/ machinists levels . It was a fool who marked out with the plate without ever bothering to check to see if the plate was true level as some of the more childish apprentices seemed to delight at undoing one or more of the levelling screws for quite often the instructors would come along and say , "Now prove to me that your plate is supported level & true "

Our marking out plates never ever got rusty , for at the end of most working days the top was wiped with a clean oiled cloth then polished off with another clean cloth before the wooden made protective lid was put in place . At the end of term & for the holidays the plates were left smeared in clean engine oil which was cleaned off with meths when we came back off leave.
 
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I almost bought that plate from the guy when it was posted on cl it would be a good scraping project. Good to see someone else in the area on the site I'm in the chalfont area


Todd
 
If this is an answer to my question, I have never and I mean Never seen a granite plate used for scraping. I spent my time scraping just like all apprentices do and it's done with cast iron plates. Granite would not stand up to the job for very long. Granite plates are INSPECTION PLATES.

"Billy G"

Isnt blueing supposed to be a way of inspection?
It will make detectable faults in flatness that are not measurable with mechanical instruments.
 
I have a 2 sided ci plate, 1 side is a lapping plate and the other is scraped in for inspection etc.The 1 side i made into the lapping plate buy cutting the grooves in it with a ball end mill, took some time to do, but works great.
 
I seem to recall from my apprenticeship lessons , that the once the webbed cast marking tables were precision ground with grinders they were then put face to face with another and then lapped flat ... as in ..... whetted with distilled water ,oscillated & moved in circular movements with the top plate being moved about over the bottom plate for a cpuple of days or so . Apparently this gives you one of the greatest accuracies you can or could get at the time and is much more accurate than scraping . The tables were set on a rigid steel benches and very accurately leveled by using their adjustable feet with engineers/ machinists levels . It was a fool who marked out with the plate without ever bothering to check to see if the plate was true level as some of the more childish apprentices seemed to delight at undoing one or more of the levelling screws for quite often the instructors would come along and say , "Now prove to me that your plate is supported level & true "

Our marking out plates never ever got rusty , for at the end of most working days the top was wiped with a clean oiled cloth then polished off with another clean cloth before the wooden made protective lid was put in place . At the end of term & for the holidays the plates were left smeared in clean engine oil which was cleaned off with meths when we came back off leave.

it may only be part of the story....
they probably had three plates and lapped them against each other
 
I have one of each, but have never used the CI. The only reason is because it is much larger than the granite surface plate. I believe my granite one is 12 x 18 and the CI is maybe 18 x 24. Lately, I have been looking for a place to set it up. If you have it you may as well use it.

Oh BTW, up until WW2 most all surface plates were made of CI, but with the shortage of metal during the war the switch was made to granite and has never returned.


Paul
 
that is the way i scraped in the straight edges, and the cast iron plates in our shop. The granite plates were lapped in buy a outside co.
 
Isnt blueing supposed to be a way of inspection?
It will make detectable faults in flatness that are not measurable with mechanical instruments.
Think about it-- you must use three plates of cast iron to check one. I f you need everyday reliability get granite........BLJHB
 
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