[Newbie] Advice On Machines

Milehighmachine
I live in the south- west corner of the state, Colorado, and find that most deals are in the denver-ft collins areas. They go fast.....
Recently saw a good deal on a mill that sold in hours. A lathe the same way.
Denver is a 7hr drive so it would be hard to catch the deals.
Gotta be checking the listings multiple times each day and be ready to run. Then, how to load em on a trailer.
Deals are out there if you keep looking.
 
Tertiaryjim yea I kerp track of craigslist regularly and guys who worked with my dad who yave their own shops are looking for me as well. I am also checking the local scrapya4ds as well never know where you find that diamond in the rough.
 
You did good. If I were buying a lathe today I would buy a Grizzly G4003G.
Good equipment, good CS, and they stock parts.
You will be happy with it.
 
Don't be so quick to give up on the American Iron. I'll bet there are a number of places you haven't thought of looking. First of all there are a number of online auction sites like this one.
http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/all,co/auction/view?auc=1405600.

The page I've linked to has a Bridgeport Series I machine with power feeds, and shaper attachment. It's currently going for $1,000.00. Note it's being sold by a school district. Over the years I've found public schools, technical colleges, and Universities are great sources for used machine tools in excellent condition.

In Wisconsin we have this site:
http://www.maxanet.com/cgi-bin/mncal.cgi?rlust
Most states have something similar. I was able to find a surface grinder and a shaper through this site. Both were in excellent condition and available for little money.

The University of Colorado and Colorado State both have public surplus sites:
http://cr.colostate.edu/main_surplus.aspx

http://www.colorado.edu/fm/services/property-sales
Note the University also has links to www.govdeals.com, www.labx.com and www.publicsurplus.com.

There are also several companies that do military surplus auctions online. I get regular notifications from this company for sales of all kinds of machine tools:
http://www.govliquidation.com/Machinery.html
They can be inspected onsite and bid for online. You can sign up for their news letter and for auctions within the limits you are willing to travel.

Then there's always Craigslist. I see in Denver there are currently 4 milling machines in the Denver area. I will admit they do sound expensive for what they are. Hopefully the owners can be negotiated down.

Last but not least there are used equipment dealers. In your area there are places like Denver Machine Tool.
http://www.denvermachinetoolinc.com/newdmt/index.php

and Machine Mart:
http://www.machine-mart.com/

The key is to be patient and persistent. If you check selected auction and sales sites daily you'll be able to outfit a shop with pristine American Iron for less than the cost of one piece of new Chinese machinery. Also most all of the American Iron is still supported so it'll probably cost less and take less time to get replacement parts should they be needed.
 
My question is how good are the Grizzly, Jet, Rong Fu machines, I am looking to machine one offs, prototypes and gunsmithing no real production. I was looking at the G0704 mill and the G4003G gunsmith mill, and yes I know these are coming out of the same factory in China. I am just wondering has the quality improved I havent seen any current reviews on forums for the last couple years. Any and all constructive comments are appreciated.

If its not made in Taiwan my advice is don't buy it, period. I could be the king of made in China Grizzly machines on the forum given the number of them I have purchased and sold over the last 2 years. I currently own a G4003G lathe. But if I were starting over today I would avoid China at all costs.

There is the odd exception to this rule of course, the made in China Grizzly G0696x 12" table saw was a BEAST, very high quality, over the top design, $1,000 less than the Powermatic 10" yet it destroyed the Powermatic in every category. That's the only machine I really regret having to sell to make room for metal working.

If I were buying a lathe or mill today I'd contact Matt at Precision Mathews (Quality Machine Tools) and compare his made in Taiwan to Grizzly's made in Taiwan. Jet to me is WAY over priced. If you shop other brands don't be afraid to ask if 100% of the machine is made in Taiwan because some are actually packed full of components made in China.

Having owned two RongFu 45 style square column mills I would go with a knee mill over a RongFu 45 variant if possible. Lathes I think you have more options. For gunsmithing you don't 'need' a big ass 16" lathe, probably something in the 1340 to 1440 size would be fine. Pay particular attention to the carriage travel, a 40" lathe doesn't necessarily mean the carriage will actually travel 40 inches. Consider these two 16x40 Grizzly lathes. The carriage travel on the G0670 is 40 inches, but the carriage travel on the G0509G is only 33 inches. That's not a little less its a lot less. Quill travel 6 inches on the G0670 vs 4.75 inches on the G0509G.

Take your time, research the machines, read through the instruction manuals, compare photos, study the photos closely. Not only is this enjoyable and should be savored since you don't get to purchase machines like this that often but you will find features and notice things that will drive your decisions. I have gone so far as to use Grizzly on-line store gadget, its like google maps for their showroom, you can virtually walk through the store and zoom in on machines. Only works for the two east coast showrooms though, last I checked it wasn't available for their WA showroom.
 
You did good. If I were buying a lathe today I would buy a Grizzly G4003G.
Good equipment, good CS, and they stock parts.
You will be happy with it.

I wouldn't and I was a G4003G fan last week.
 
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