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New California Law Bans Products Containing Brass

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I recently (12-26-16) ordered a rotary table from Grizzly Industrial. I was informed by Grizzly that my order was canceled due to a new California law which bans shipment of anything to California which contains brass. I phoned for clarification, the Grizzly rep said that they can no longer ship anything to CA that has any brass content due to the new law. Apparently, it is the lead in brass that is the problem.

Has anyone else had this problem? Any way to get around it? Has the "Nanny State" run amok?
 

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That law was passed relating to plumbing fixtures. I didn't realize it was expanded to industrial products, if that's the case, maybe the legislature needs to take a look at what they passed. o_O That's just crazy. :confused 3:
 

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That’s a new one on me?????? I hope this is all some kind of miss understanding. There are literally millions of stand-alone products and products with brass components in them…MILLIONS.
 

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With a bit more research, I can't find any reference relating to anything except plumbing and some jewelry. I suggest this is something completely new or Grizzly is mistaken.

EDIT: I found this. It could be a labeling issue

California Notice on Brass

Proposition 65, the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986, was initiated in California. Under this act, a list of chemicals that are known to the state of California to cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm is published annually. This list contains more than 700 chemicals that can be found in consumer and industrial products or services, in addition to chemicals that are released into the environment.

As part of this California law, businesses are required to provide warnings for products that may contain any listed chemical. As such, the following warning will be included on specific product web pages and included with all orders shipped to the state of California:

WARNING: These products may contain chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm.

Products most likely to require Proposition 65 warnings include brass items, finishing products, items made of PVC. The state of California's advice regarding safe handling of most of these products is to wash your hands after handling.

For more information about Proposition 65, please refer to the following website: http://www.oehha.ca.gov/prop65.html
 
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If there was a new law banning brass coming into CA, shooters would have heard about it. Lots of gun laws lately, but I haven't heard anything like this.
 

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Looks to me that people in California will no longer have any running water in their homes. Copper pipe, faucets and a multitude of plumbing fittings.
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I am not aware of a law Banning brass, but rather the law that states that certain products containing lead have to have the warning stated above. We had to include the warning when we shipped our power tools to California since the PVC power supply cords contained lead.

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Just thinking guys.....stay within the bound of the "no politics" policy. Everything fine so far, so let's keep it that way please. It's a fair subject of discussion.

I doubt seriously that the legislature has any idea how many products contain lead or brass, so I wonder about the origins of these new regulations.
 

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I sent an email to the address on the linked page that Jim Dawson posted asking for clarification.
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I would think grizzly have misunderstood something. Lead free Brass is mandated in Australia now for plumbing, and also, I believe, in California, as well as probably many other states/territories/countries. But as far as I know there is no restriction on the use of leaded brass in other applications.

Cheers Phil
 

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Thanks for the replies. I checked the CA government link sent by Jim Dawson, thanks Jim. I also called, left a message, and emailed the Prop 65 office asking for clarification. I hope that the folks at Grizzly are just misapplying the law and will change their policy. I was looking forward to getting that rotary table!
I will let you know what I find out from Sacramento.
 

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As far as I can tell, the mandate as Jim outlined applies to plumbing, or items used in food/drinking consumption. Most brass plumping (newer fittings) are lead free, there is usually a sicker on them specifically stating so. The banning of all brass products would be ludicrous , but then California leads the field in that endeavor (I left the bay area because of cost, taxation and insane regulations).
 

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Just spitballing here, but it sounds to me like maybe Grizzly has chosen to not put up with the hassle of dealing with the CA warning label on their products, hence they can't ship them to CA.

In a similar vein, I mail ordered a fly tying vise a number of years ago which came with a warning label that said, in so many words, don't eat it. I had need to call the manufacturer about something else and asked them about the label while we were talking. He said it was required by CA law and they (the mfr.) didn't have any idea when a vise was boxed at the factory where it might wind up in a retail shop, so they just labeled all of them.

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Awhile back there was a huge bin fill of brass fittings at the scrap yard so got some for air supply.

At a local mom and pop hardware store that is older than dirt they still have all of theirs and posted sign states "not for potable water"

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I still believe that part of Calif. is going to break off (including all of the stupid people that adopt these laws, too) and fall in the ocean as we used to hear in our younger years! Mike, I hope you on the piece of land that stays put.
 

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I wonder if CA true intentions are to ban ammunition, the rest is collateral damage so to speak. What a joke!
You may not be too far off:

From Kaleo Arms https://www.kaleoarms.com/pages/faqs

FAQs
Brass Questions:
Where do you ship? Why am I getting an error shipping to a California address?


California: In light of the passing of CA Proposition 63, we will continue to accept and ship orders with California billing and shipping addresses through Christmas 2017. This will allow for successful delivery before the seller portion of Prop 63 takes effect January 1, 2018.
 

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I don't know about CA, but the European RoHS regulation has an exception for brass. There is also an exception for high-temperature leaded solder. I believe they were forced to make these exceptions because there was no suitable lead-free substitute for certain applications.
 

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I have waited my whole life for California to slide in the ocean, you know California is just like a box of cereal - throw away the fruits and the nuts but you still have the Flakes.
 

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Ok guys, I know I started this with my comment, but let's not get too carried away. Lets keep the comments nice!

There are several forum members here that live in Calif. and are good people, so it can't be too bad there. Of course I would love for them to move to Texas...
 

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Yes, California will break away. But then the rest of the US will sink and California will be the only state left above water! With all the machine toys to ourselves on a nice retirement island.
 

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I recently replaced the 35 year old faucets in my master bathroom and bought high end (at least high end for me) fittings from the same manufacturer. I was very disappointed when I found that the fittings were mostly plastic, without any brass. Response from the manufacturer was something to the effect; because of pending legislation in Calif. we no longer produce brass fixtures.
I agree that Grizzly must be misinterpreting the new law. I hope with some clarification from the state, they will reconsider and ship to you.
 

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CA Prop 63 deals with control of firearms and ammunition . As I waded through the morass of text, I saw no specific reference to brass cases under the definition of ammunition. It may be that the term"cartridge" is being interpreted as including empty cartridge casings.

CA Prop 65 is actually quite old, going back to 1986. I saw no reference to brass on the latest list of almost 1000 prohibited chemicals as defined by Prop 65.

I suspect that Grizzly's legal beagles are just being super conservative