Shaper Tool Holder Question

[benmychree]

Great stuff, thanks! My wife laughs herself silly when she looks over my shoulder and asks what in the world are you reading! When I say a manual, or the Connoly scraping book, or the many shaper books I've gotten off here she just can't believe it. It's fantastic that somebody has preserved these old books digitally. The sad thing is I've got other projects I'm trying to do right now and when I try to think back where in the hell I saw this its going to take some digging.

I deeply appreciate the sharing of knowledge and the willingness to get slightly off the rails when the opportunity arises.

Thanks for the compliment! Yes, I do get off the rails somewhat; reading what others post reminds me of similar things that may be of interest to others; I'd rather go at it that way than create new posts, which I did recently for the first time. Earlier I replied to a post on threading to add a threading technique that not many people know about for Q&D work, 7TPI in 5 or 7 cuts (it's been a long time since I did it, forget which it is ---) I bought my Taylor book back in the 1960s or 70s when such things were relatively cheap, paid $17.00, looked on Barnes & Noble in '99, they were asking $390! Taylor started his experiments under the largesse of William Sellers, because he wanted to write a book on scientific management of shop work, where speed, feed, and depth of cut, plus standard shapes for tools could be dictated by management for the most efficient production; well, he found that he did not have enough information to carry it off, hence the experiments. He finally did write his book "Shop Management, copyrighted in 1911; I do not know how much I paid for it in '69, but B&N had it in '99 for $455.

 

[benmychree]

Another recommended book is "One Best Way" by Robert Kanigel Little, Brown & Co. C. 1997, and is a biography of Taylor and his works. It cost me $24 in 2002.

 

[francist]

Thanks for putting up those photos, John. Especially of the cutters. It's easy to look at the old books and see how the tools might have been used and such, but sometimes (depending on the illustrator) one can completely misinterpret how the grind is supposed to go. So it's especially useful to see the actual tools in the flesh as it were.

I for one also really appreciate when folks like you, who actually worked with the old machines like shapers and planers on a daily basis for the course of their jobs, pass on the tricks and methods for doing some of the operations. Again, it's really easy to read the books but nothing compares to somebody who has actually worked at it. Thank you for taking the time to pass it along.

-frank

 

[benmychree]

Thanks for putting up those photos, John. Especially of the cutters. It's easy to look at the old books and see how the tools might have been used and such, but sometimes (depending on the illustrator) one can completely misinterpret how the grind is supposed to go. So it's especially useful to see the actual tools in the flesh as it were.

I for one also really appreciate when folks like you, who actually worked with the old machines like shapers and planers on a daily basis for the course of their jobs, pass on the tricks and methods for doing some of the operations. Again, it's really easy to read the books but nothing compares to somebody who has actually worked at it. Thank you for taking the time to pass it along.

-frank

Thank you,you are very welcome!

 

[C-Bag]

Being a hobbyist and on a budget, I'm grateful I don't have to buy books. When something gets hot like the Connoly book you see originals for $500 so it doesn't surprise me when you mention a book for $300. If I was trying to run a machine shop I guess, but with CNC so prevalent how would that apply I wonder. BTW I was to one who got you off the rails. When I got from your post you actually worked with these things as your day job I couldn't resist. I love biographys and will see if I can find One Best Way. Thanks again.

 

[benmychree]

I had to advantage of buying most of my books before they got expensive; I'm blown away that Connolly could cost $500! I bought mine way back when it was just another book --- I have literally hundreds of books, from machinery catalogs, steam engineering, boat building, industrial biography (see Samuel Smiles "Lives of the Engineers"); I have the whole set, and a whole lot of books on local and early California history, plus books that just look good on the shelf ---. My family were early California settlers, who came here in 1845 when this was still a Mexican possession; My GGGF was a member of the Bear Flag Party and served with Fremont's Battalion under Paul Revere's grandson Joseph Revere.

 

[f350ca]

While we're slightly off topic and bothering John. Any suggestions for improving the finish I get with my Peerless shaper. The table advance is 0.014 at the lowest stroke setting, as in one click of the ratchet. Even a shear tool doesn't leave a nice finish at that much advance. My old Logan would go down to about 2 or 3 thou advance.
Thanks
Greg

 

[Dranreb]

Thanks so much for that and putting me on to that book. Turns out you can DL pdf of it here:

https://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/concern/parent/3x816s35t/technical_reports/gx41mp578

Seems like this should be added to the library here HM.

It is quite a tome, shows illustration of all the equipment used in the experiments, tool shapes and the history of the endeavor.

Thanks for that link C-Bag, I was expecting illustrations but there doesn't seem to be any in that PDF.

Is it me, am I missing something here?

 

[C-Bag]

Oh no, I don't see and illustrations either!

 

[12bolts]

....The table advance is 0.014 at the lowest stroke setting, as in one click of the ratchet. Even a shear tool doesn't leave a nice finish at that much advance. ...

How about a big radius on the nose of the tool?

Cheers Phil