Can we talk about retirement?

Oh, another thing..
Keep in mind that there will be changes to your relationship. It IS different to be around your spouse 24/7 compared to when you were working. Takes some time to adjust.
All of a sudden I was home 24/7 compared to being gone half of my life. YIKES. Marriage almost didn't make it that first year. Huge change for me when I discovered, to my horror, that I was no longer the captain. In fact, I think she relegated me to lav service duty. ;)
 
Well, it certainly looks like you have received plenty of opinions and data. As the benefits people in my previous company said, it all depends on when you and your wife plan to die.... I retired last year at 65. I don't plan on taking SS until age 70. The men in my family die around age 85 after a week in the hospital. Age 85 is the break even point between taking SS now and taking it at 70. So, it is a gamble for me as it is for everyone. I don't need the additional income now, so I will get a pay raise in 4 years. I am loving retirement and I hope you do as well! Good luck!!
 
So as it is , I went to the doc last week regarding this situation of expected life expectency . (sp)

He stated " this depends on many things such as family history and lifestyle lived " He then asked me a few simple questions ..........

" Do you smoke fine cigars " ? I answered NEVER
" How often do you indulge in good beer and whiskey " I answered only once in my entire life "
" Do you stay out all night and party with strangers till the wee hours " ? I answered uh , no .
" How often do you get out on the golf course and play 36 holes " ? I replied , I don't play golf . So whatcha think doc ? Will I live till I'm 85 ?


He answered ......................" why would you want to " ? :rolleyes: Smartarse .
 
I took my SS at my 66 full amount, and no repayment if exceeding 13-14K a year and still working. I stayed in 4 years longer than I wanted to keep income level. My SS, and my current 401 if I took it would give me my previous salary till my early 90s. Per my investment crew that is a 94% probability of being accurate. If I under stand the mumbo jumbo correctly :oops:
 
They provide very little benefit and by the time it is over they have peeled a huge chunk off of your nest egg.

I think I understated things. It is the case that many of the advisors do a great deal of harm to their customers. Many (most?) are not in it for you. Many put you into funds that cost you and pay them a commission. It isn't uncommon that 1.5-3% or even more of your return gets siphoned off by "management fees" or fund expenses. It is a huge chunk that some of them take. Some of the fees are hidden from easy view. 2-3% sounds innocent enough but in the long run, the expenses compound your losses. It isn't unheard of that half of your lifetime potential growth gets siphoned off. I loved my advisor. Friendly, "there for me", concerned about my life etc. However he did worse than the market consistently and much worse after subtracting the fees.

It is never too late to fix it either. For retirees, we might pull 4% per year out of our 401Ks for expenses so that the fund can last for maybe 30 years. If your advisor charges 2%/Year, you can forget it lasting that long, unless you pull out quite a bit less (sorry, you only get ~2%/year) to cover the advisor costs. This pays for the vague promise that they know how to make more money for you. Several studies have shown over the years that in the long run the advisors do WORSE than average.

I was in the same boat years ago. The investing lingo confused me and I was not interested in it anyway. I was too busy with career and family. I then got some advice from a former boss. It turns out that it is not at all rocket science. All it takes is a bit of reading and very easy changes to get huge benefits. There are no guarantees for any investment. The advisor funds go up and down and simple, low cost index funds go up and down. The only guarantee is that with advisors, X% of your money never gets to you.

Sorry for the slightly off topic rant but for some reason I'm awake tonight, I've seen the light and like many converts I like to share. Going back to bed now...
 
I happen to have advisors that make a percentage of my total, 1% (.5% for TEFs)which is high, but I do not have time to deal with stocks.
 
I just retired 2 weeks ago ( Oct 30 ) I'll be 62 next July , I'm looking at difference in waiting or taking it then but more so as a hedge against me dying before my wife ( she's 4 years younger ) it's approximately 8% difference in each year waiting . My wife doesn't work anymore and has a very small 401k herself so we'll be using a combination of my pension ( which she would get 75% if I die ) , my 401k and my SS when we do take it . More then likely I'll take SS at 62 ,then my plan would be use my pension and SS , if we need more $$ use some from the 401k . What I also would like to do is a 401k to Roth IRA conversion each year as long as it would keep us in the current tax bracket , 12% under $81k without going to the next which would be 22%
 
My workshop is essential for my marriage.
Consider yourself fortunate to have the choice of when to retire. My job was phased out and there did not seem to be a lot of interest in hiring a 60 year old so I retired. Otherwise I would have continued in the work I enjoyed doing. I had seen enough over the years to not depend entirely on my employer or the government for my financial security.
At around age 55 my wife and I took a retirement planning course that was sponsored by our pension fund manager. It was very helpful in that the course dealt with all aspects of life during retirement. There is a broad range of things to consider as have been shown in this thread.
It was a psychological hurdle for me to go from earning income to living off my savings and investments.
Managing our finances has been a lifelong concern and it just continues on retirement. Financing retirement is not as bad as many advisors would have you think.
By far the best advice we were given was to have a project to retire TO something, as opposed to retiring FROM something. Have a plan or vision for what you want to do with your time (that does not upset you spouse) :).
 
By far the best advice we were given was to have a project to retire TO something, as opposed to retiring FROM something.

Best advise on this subject . None of us could ever sit still and do nothing ! :)
 
In a few months I'll be 64. I just looked at my Social Security statement.
They have full retirement at 66 and 6 months.
There is a benefits slide gadget that lets you dial in the anticipated month of retirement.
Example, if I retire at 65 and 6 months, the difference is <$245 a month. If I retire a year early, I will receive $31,500 I would not have received if I wait another year.
You all know where I'm going. It would take 11 years to break even for the amount I received for the one year of early retirement.
Since this is supplemental to our overall retirement plan, it's looking pretty tempting.

Did you go out early? Do you regret it?
Do you wish you went out early?
Are you thinking along my same lines?
Am I an idiot for thinking to go out early

I know many of you are retired, I'd like to talk about it.
Thanks,
Jeff

I think it's a personal decision that has to include a number of factors. Personally I did retire early and have thoroughly enjoyed it with no regrets. The odd part was that "termination" date was a Friday, but at 7:00 AM on the following Monday the calls started coming in from head hunters asking me to be a "contractor" to perform exactly the same duties I had been doing as an employee. I could have easily gone back to work for over double the money I was making, but with no benefits. The jobs however were the ones I hated having to do even as an employee. They included things like shutting down production facilities and distribution centers as well as moving production lines from one plant to another. I had my share of that over the years and had no desire to repeat it. Essentially it would have destroyed the relationship I had worked to build with co-workers for over 20 years.

My retirement at 57 was part of a buyout. That's a bit of a misnomer in that the "buyout" added years of service to be used for calculating a pension, and a bonus added to the 401K. I say misnomer in that neither of these benefits could be accessed until the age of 62 or the time you were eligible for Social Security. Essentially we were on our own financially until these benefits kicked in. At the time of Social Security/Medicare eligibility the funds could be accessed without penalty, but until that time the only financial assistance was allowing the employees to continue purchasing health insurance with a small company subsidy.

One thing available from our company in those days was the fact that at the time of Social Security eligibility we could personally take charge of our 401K, and take any pension due as a lump some. Not knowing the future viability of the company, or the possibility that it could be sold almost all severed employees took advantage of that option.

Along with financial considerations you also need to include your families health and personal goals. If you are reasonable healthy, would like to travel, have outside hobbies and interests you'd like to peruse, and don't have overwhelming financial obligations I would certainly take advantage the opportunity. In my case it took nearly 2 years (along with travel and other fun activities) to complete a "honey do" list that had been accumulating for years.

The only downside (so far) to retirement is that all those relationships developed over the years are hard to maintain. Many people have moved to be closer to relatives, or warmer climates, and sadly some have passed away. There was a group that met weekly for breakfast at a local restaurant, but since the advent of Covid19 that's at least temporarily on hold.
 
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