VFD as a basic phase converter

I have the 2 HP version of the Automation direct one on a radial arm drill. Works well, the manual is in english, even I could follow it and their technical support is great. My drill uses a two speed motor, questioned them about leaving the switch in to change speeds, they said no problem as long as the output is off, no need to kill the input power. This is as I thought but nice to talk to someone who actually knows and isn't just giving an opinion
Having said that, my opinion, lol, if you have a gear head lathe I wouldn't recommend using motor braking. Soft start is great to reduce the instant load on the gear train, motor braking is instantly removing the lash in the gears. On belt drive machines its great.

Greg
 
I use a Teco to power both my mill/drill and my big lathe. I built a housing for the VFD and an array of relays to switch between the two, plus the input for the tachometer. The selector switch can't change between machines if there is any output flowing (another relay). I really like the precise speed control it gives me, especially on the mill. I might change belts once a year or less. The lathe has a 3-speed gearbox for when I need a different range. Lots of speed control within each range.
 
Programming of a VFD is not a steep learning curve, only a new experience if you've never done it. There are so many useful features available by doing a little "one time setup' that the small time spent has great rewards.

I have 2 VFDs, one $60 unit powering the Powermatic drill press and the other sharing duties for the Bridgeport and Gardner surface grinder. They are never used at the same time so I simply plug the machine to be used into an outlet at the VFD (power off at the main panel). Both motors are 1-1/2 HP and similar so no need to change the VFD in any way. There is a small home made panel near the Bridgeport with pot for frequency control, forward/reverse switch and machine power on/off switch. Easy peasy to wire.

As far as I'm concerned, paying a bunch of money for perceived reliability or insurance or support is a waste.
These things are so commonplace today that apart from self (i.e. yourself) inflicted damage they are completely reliable as advertised (power wise). In other words, no need to size up as parameters are programmed in for protection.

MHO
Aaron
 
Surprised no one mentioned Huanyang VFDs. I have this one from Amazon on my Bridgeport surface grinder. Works fine. Only caveat is that one in my link does not have an option for a braking resistor. I did not think that would be a big deal but now wish it had it since it takes a while for my grinding wheel to come to a stop.
 
HY VFDs were mentioned in post #19- many people have had good luck with them but I have heard of some fails too
personally I would buy one of the name brands- I have experience repairing electronics but I would not want to troubleshoot a cheap VFD, especially without a schematic
-Mark
 
I will pay a bit extra for good tech support and readable, well laid out documentation. That along with free 2 day shipping makes Automation Direct units pretty attractive. HY VFDs are OK, if you get a genuine HY. There are knock-offs of the HY line. There is some issues with the SVC functionality with the HY units. I do have a HY 10HP unit running my air compressor.

I have AD GS3 units on both my mill (3 HP) and CNC lathe (10 HP). I also have a couple of the GS2 units on other equipment.
 
I've got a couple of the HY VFDs that I'm quite happy with. They work great once you get them setup, and I'm pretty good at reading the crappy quality manuals.

While a higher quality one might be nice, I figure these are disposable, and I won't really mind if they break. My shop is wood + metal, so its a pretty harsh environment. Interestingly, the only failure I've had so far is a Hitachi (vs 4 HY), which is the one I babied/protected the most!
 
So, the wiring pinouts are going to be identical or easy to translate and the setup and footprint are the primary differences? I would not want to troubleshoot a cheap drive that blew up, but even at $300 for a Hitachi I think I would most likely simply replace a drive after the smoke escaped.
 
Probably worth reading some of the reviews" https://www.amazon.com/HY-HUANYANG-Variable-Frequency-Converter/dp/B07HDYX25C?th=1
3.0 out of 5 stars 25% Failure Rate out of the Box
Reviewed in the United States on December 1, 2018
Size: 220V power inputColor: 2.2KWVerified Purchase
I've used about 100 of these VFDs over 5 years. About 20% - 25% don't work right out of the box. HOWEVER, those that do work, do work pretty well and only 1 failure of the 100 or so after being put into service. SO they do work but its frustrating to get a dud right out out of the box.

2.0 out of 5 stars Works
Reviewed in the United States on June 23, 2018
Size: 220V power inputColor: 2.2KWVerified Purchase
I have 3 of these that work well, Actually, I now have 4 of these. I bought 2 six months ago for a G0602 cnc lathe project. One of these recently failed while I was programming it before i event attempted to power the motor. Dead Short across terminals 1 & 3. Tripped 3 breakers including a 50 amp sub panel. So the 25% failure rate is still accurate. . If anyone from Amazon or Huanyang actually reads these, contact me if I have any recourse for compensation

As I indicated, everyone has a different experience of what worked and didn't work, but typically the N (units studies) is very small. All VFD's will fail at some point, and the technology is continuously changing and they are built to different price points and features. There is also a big difference as the application and duty cycle, it it is used occasionally or 24/7. So one chooses accordingly and to the price point you want. Most of these are disposable if something goes, until you get into the larger more expensive units which are designed to be rebuildable. The most common mode of failure these days are the capacitors, in particular if the unit has been sitting on the shelf for a long period of time. My N so far is probably in the 100's, but all of this is relative because I do not do industrial work. I do participate in other forums, so some of my comments are based on what others have documented.

Where I tend to disagree with some of the comments above is the understanding an ease of programming. My first couple of VFD systems took me months to design and fine tune the programming parameters, and even on some recent Yaskawa VFD systems I am still fine tuning parameters months after the install. These parameters significantly differ between the type of machine and the motor characteristics. So there is a learning curve and most people can get it to work, the question is how much time do you want to spend figuring it out and is it safe. Do you understand that hitting the E-Stop may or may not quickly stop the machine based on the program parameters you used. I had this with my lathe the other day.

If you want to put some marginal VFD on a mill, no problem. Work on some machines that have more momentum or interlock safety features, and have a smaller safety margin, well do it at your own risk. I have no issues with going cheap, but I can't tell you the number of people I have had to help with these types of VFDs, and for newbies it is not as straight forward and often just getting the wiring correct is a major hurdle. Nothing against learning, but helps when you have a starting point and one reason why we share our experiences. Nothing is absolute, just shades of grey.
 
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