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I was looking last week at oversize BXA tool holders, ones than can hold a 3/4" shank tool, where the standard BXA holders have a capacity for maximum 5/8" shanks.

On Ebay I saw that All Industrial Tool Supply had the second best prices for them, at $16.95 each plus $6.50 freight (each?), $0.15 more than Shars pricing, each, with shipping.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BXA-1XL-OVERSIZE-3-4-QUICK-CHANGE-TURNING-FACING-LATHE-TOOL-POST-HOLDER-/121619126151?hash=item1c51109787:g:0WYAAOSwCEdYUBzd

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Quick-Change-BXA-1XL-Tool-Post-OVERSIZE-3-4-Turning-Facing-Holder-250-201-XL-/351293561037?hash=item51caba58cd:g:LuEAAOSw2s1UwTes

I had opened an account with All Industrial some months before, but had poor luck finding anything interesting in their online catalogue.
http://www.allindustrial.com/
Their online catalogue only shows Aloris QCTP tooling, and gives no clue that they have great deals on imports as well. It occurred to me that I should call them and see what kind of deal I could make by ordering direct from All Industrial.

So, I called them this morning. I told them my story, gave them their part number, told them I was interested in the best possible deal on three of them, delivered, and the friendly customer service guy said after about five seconds looking at it "Well, the best I can do for you is $13.95 each plus $6.50 shipping for the three. I said yes, and I had a paid invoice in my inbox in a couple minutes.

So, I saved $9.00 and quite possibly some freight by ordering direct from All Industrial. It is not that I want to keep eBay from getting their cut (and if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale...) I will respond to this thread again after they arrive and I check them out.

I tried to look at their eBay store, but there really is no such thing. They apparently have another company doing fulfillment for them on the eBay orders. They do have more things for sale on eBay, just difficult for me to find them all.
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I buy from All Industral also. Good people & quick fullfilment. I buy all my ER collets from them & purchased 2 Gator chucks from them. About to order another chuck from them. Their website doesn't specify & I don't know the exact amount but they give you free shipping if you purchase over $50 or $100.
 

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It was really nice to talk to someone who could and would and did actually make a deal with me in real time, which was really refreshing compared to constantly bouncing off the corporate veil...
 

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Their website sucks, but I am not going to hold that against them. They actually understand how to deal with a customer, a lost art these days. Take it from someone who has actually been there, done that, for decades...
 

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i have purchased carbide endmills and clone AXA toolholders from All Industrial-
fast shipping, great prices, very good vendor!
 

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i have purchased carbide endmills and clone AXA toolholders from All Industrial-
fast shipping, great prices, very good vendor!
Mike, have you figured out how to figure what they really have for sale?
 

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They have a 1500+ page catalog viewable online as well as a monthly sale flyer. It's a pain in the ass to view the catalog online & as you know not much of their inventory is cataloged on their website.

They have been saying their website is going to be updated so perhaps they are working on it but it has been quite sometime that they have been saying the website will change. Not an easy job to catalog everything if that's what they are doing.

Perhaps you can call to order a paper catalog, i have never noticed a way to order one online. IIRC they do include their sales flyer with every shipped order.
 

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Their on-line catalog looks very similar to a Travers Tool catalog. I wonder?

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They have a 1500+ page catalog viewable online as well as a monthly sale flyer. It's a pain in the ass to view the catalog online & as you know not much of their inventory is cataloged on their website.

They have been saying their website is going to be updated so perhaps they are working on it but it has been quite sometime that they have been saying the website will change. Not an easy job to catalog everything if that's what they are doing.

Perhaps you can call to order a paper catalog, i have never noticed a way to order one online. IIRC they do include their sales flyer with every shipped order.
You can download the entire catalog if you want. From the "on-line catalog", look at the tool bar on the bottom and there is an icon with an arrow pointing down. Click on it and it will download the entire catalog as a pdf. Note that for the impatient. It is half a gig so "its going to take a while" applies.

You might also try a PowerShell command [or wget if you are on ?nix]. Probably will not be any faster but it save the browser from having to start Adobe to display the pdf. The url is pretty straight forward ... "http://allindustrial.com/catalogs/2016/general_catalog.pdf".
 

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You can download the entire catalog if you want. From the "on-line catalog", look at the tool bar on the bottom and there is an icon with an arrow pointing down. Click on it and it will download the entire catalog as a pdf. Note that for the impatient. It is half a gig so "its going to take a while" applies.

You might also try a PowerShell command [or wget if you are on ?nix]. Probably will not be any faster but it save the browser from having to start Adobe to display the pdf. The url is pretty straight forward ... "http://allindustrial.com/catalogs/2016/general_catalog.pdf".
But are we talking about a big catalogue like MSC and Travers have, that has no relation to current prices or availability? I find those catalogues fairly worthless except as an research aid for finding what might have been available in the past somewhere and a list price (or higher) that they can use for a comparison to their current "sale" price.
 

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Every once in a while I have seen a screaming good deal on name brand carbide end mills on ebay from All Industrial. I have been happy with my ebay buys from them, but I shop carefully and do not trust them blindly to always have good prices.
 

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Right on, Doubleeboy. It pays to be alert and to keep your finger on the pulse. Stuff changes ever more quickly and we need to keep track of what is going on. Thank God for the internet, which makes it so much easier to do. One of the realities of our times is that we must never be complacent and must keep looking for terrain changes -- loyalty and trustworthiness are sadly becoming archaic words in our lives. Keeping up with change continues to get more difficult, even as the tools get better and better. Forums like this are really helpful, none of us have the time and energy to learn everything on our own. We still need to comprehend and verify, though...
 

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OK, feedback time. I ordered the three oversize tool holders on Friday morning, they showed up in a USPS flat rate envelope today (Monday, next working day.) The tool holders were sealed in individual sealed plastic bags which were in unmarked individual cardboard boxes. The holders are branded Hess, and have a very nice fit and finish. All the screws work smoothly, as they should, and fit the hex keys properly (metric.) They fit my tool post just like my other holders do, tightening at the same handle clock position. This transaction went completely smoothly, like Enco used to do, and unlike some other companies who never get it right. I am very pleased and satisfied with this first transaction with All Industrial Supply. Disclaimer: This is my first order from All Industrial, and I have no connection with them beyond being completely happy with my first purchase there...
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But are we talking about a big catalogue like MSC and Travers have, that has no relation to current prices or availability? I find those catalogues fairly worthless except as an research aid for finding what might have been available in the past somewhere and a list price (or higher) that they can use for a comparison to their current "sale" price.
Didn't say it was worth anything. Just commented on how to get the electronic version that is easier to use [IMHO] than the online version. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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Didn't say it was worth anything. Just commented on how to get the electronic version that is easier to use [IMHO] than the online version. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thanks, arvidj. I will download it and take a look at it and see if it is useful to me. I appreciate the help.
 

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Their on-line catalog looks very similar to a Travers Tool catalog. I wonder?

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Their big catalogue, which I am trying to download now, has TTC tools, among others. As near as I know, TTC stands for Travers Tool Co., their Asian tool line...
 

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Their on-line catalog looks very similar to a Travers Tool catalog. I wonder?

Tom S.
That's interesting....similar, no. I just opened up my Travers 2017/18 Master Catalog & it matches exactly, down the page layout, photos, prices & part numbers. But the Travers catalog has a couple of hundred more pages.
 

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That's interesting....similar, no. I just opened up my Travers 2017/18 Master Catalog & it matches exactly, down the page layout, photos, prices & part numbers. But the Travers catalog has a couple of hundred more pages.
I downloaded the catalog, and the differences are that it is missing a cover and table of contents, and only has the Spanish index in the back, English is missing. It is also the 2016 catalog. Other than that, it sure appears to be the Travers Catalog...
 

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I downloaded the catalog, and the differences are that it is missing a cover and table of contents, and only has the Spanish index in the back, English is missing. It is also the 2016 catalog. Other than that, it sure appears to be the Travers Catalog...
There actually is an English index. It is listed in the table of contents in the front and is before the Spanish index at the very back.

At least that is how and where I found it.
 

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There actually is an English index. It is listed in the table of contents in the front and is before the Spanish index at the very back.

At least that is how and where I found it.
I found that, too. There are different ways of downloading the general catalogue which give different results...
 

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Their big catalogue, which I am trying to download now, has TTC tools, among others. As near as I know, TTC stands for Travers Tool Co., their Asian tool line...
Now I know. Thanks.

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Placed my first order with All Industrial Tool. Bought three 1/4" carbide double end 4 flute end mills for less than $9 each. Ordered them last Friday and they got here yesterday. Price was very good and delivery was even better. I think I found a replacement for Enco.

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Placed my first order with All Industrial Tool. Bought three 1/4" carbide double end 4 flute end mills for less than $9 each. Ordered them last Friday and they got here yesterday. Price was very good and delivery was even better. I think I found a replacement for Enco.

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Nice, yup they're great but no where near a replacement for enco in my book. Not trying to start another as I know how some feel about MSC but MSC still can't be beat for me personally. Just sharing another experience.

I've been looking for a replacement 3 jaw adjustable chuck. Been looking to get another Gator chuck as I don't use the 3-jaw often & have been happy with my other Gator chucks.

Purchased it from All Industrial as they had the best price & is where I got my last Gator 3 jaw chuck. Turns out GTS (Gator distributor) doesn't have the adaptor I need & it would be months before they can supply. They're currently changing importers I was told.

I was just going to wait but I walked in yesterday & thanks to my sales guy at my local MSC, I will have a Bison Set-Tru for not much more than than the Gator equivelent. I'll take Poland over China anyday!

The Gator would have cost me $706 with adapter delivered. The Bison from MSC with my logged in price was $626 for the chuck + $279 for the adapter. My salesman played around in the system & gave me the chuck for $550 & $250 for the adapter. Have to pay $60 in tax but still an unbeatable deal.

I've been searching, one of the best prices on the Bison I found is from Ajax Tools where I got my Bison 6-jaw & Gator 4-jaw chucks from. Their price is $699 + $299 + shipping. Price quoted in email. Their website price is a bit higher & their ebay price even more. See why I love MSC? Enco was the only place where you could get a good discount on Bison.

BTW, Ajax Tools is another great vendor that I buy from time to time. I just received a new Skoda live center from them. Nemic is another but you have to log in to see pricing. Sometimes their prices were better than Enco.
 

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The intent of my post was to share my experience with a new vendor. I should have been more clear that for generic carbide end mills they have good prices and their delivery was also very good. Having not purchased anything else from this vendor so I can't comment on their other products. Only time will tell.

I have agree with darkzero. You have to do your homework to find the best deal for you. And the best deal may not be the lowest price, or the quickest delivery. It's ultimately a personal decision where you spend your hard earned dollars.

My 2 cents.

Tom S.
 

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I have agree with darkzero. You have to do your homework to find the best deal for you. And the best deal may not be the lowest price, or the quickest delivery. It's ultimately a personal decision where you spend your hard earned dollars.

My 2 cents.

Tom S.
I agree, Tom. I do appreciate the reviews on this site about vendor experiences, and share my own as well. Few of us buy enough stuff from enough vendors to really know about the choices and their pluses and minuses. The extra data sure helps.
 

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