Learning the art of surface grinding

Sopko does make a series of hubs that have movable weights for balancing the wheels.


Here's a link to one of their balancing hubs listed on eBay.


Note the 2 weights in the second picture that can be moved in the channel.

Here's another "Precise" brand balancing hub from Penn Tool

 
Sopko does make a series of hubs that have movable weights for balancing the wheels.
The adjustable hubs are only helpful if you also have a way of finding the light and heavy spots. You can spend a large amount of time moving the weights around and still not know what you have achieved.
 
@projectnut I'm interested in Penn Tool, but I can't find their connection to Sopko's 200 series adapters. Care to elaborate? I thought Sopko manufactures all their own.
 
@projectnut I'm interested in Penn Tool, but I can't find their connection to Sopko's 200 series adapters. Care to elaborate? I thought Sopko manufactures all their own.

You're right. Last night I went to the Penn Tool website and it showed the B200 hub as a separate item. I just put Sopko in the search box and it came up with several different hubs. Today when I went there it only hub they show is a C 200 for Cincinnati #1 and #2 grinders. They do however sell it as part of a wheel balancing kit.
 
The adjustable hubs are only helpful if you also have a way of finding the light and heavy spots. You can spend a large amount of time moving the weights around and still not know what you have achieved.

This may not be the "standard" way surface grinding wheels are checked for balance, but it seems to work for me. Since the 1960's I've had a "Magna Matic mower blade balancer. Mine is the original version which according to the spec sheet is supposed to be able to detect an out of balance situation as small as 2 grams.

Here's a link to their "Gold" version of the balancer, which is comparable to the older version I have:

https://www.magna-matic-direct.com/products/mag-1000gc-gold-edition-balancer.html


If I feel a wheel is out of balance I first install a bare hub on the spindle of the blade balancer and check it for balance. If it's out of balance (most of mine are close to the 2 gram mark) I mark the heavy spot(s) on the hub. I add weight to the opposite side of the hub in the form of masking tape until the hub can be rotated to any position and maintain that position.

Once I am satisfied the hub is in balance to within less than 2 grams I install the wheel. I go through the same procedure, this time putting a mark on the heavy spot of the wheel. Again I add weight on the light spot until the assembly can be rotated to any position and maintain that position. I remove the tape from both the hub and the wheel and weigh each stack. If the weights are within 2 grams I know I can rotate the wheel on the hub to a position that the out of balance components will counter balance each other and cancel out the error. Once I find the sweet spot I secure the wheel to the hub and mark both the wheel and hub.

Fortunately this isn't something I do on a daily basis. If I feel the need to do it the process usually takes the better part of an hour.

Keep in mind I only use this system because I already had it. The "Gold" version of the blade balancer costs over $300.00. The smallest Sopko portable balancing stand doesn't cost much more.
 
If you make yourself a set of knife blade style rails to test the wheel on, you can easily test a wheel for the heavy spot, and then start removing material from the bottom side of the wheel until the wheel is in balance. Simple, understandable, cheap, and works well. I may well make a set for myself at some point.
 
I'm not much of a fan of extra magnets in my metal working shop. The outer ring is magnetic, shich will be hard to keep away from grinding dust and metal bits. Otherwise it looks good.

I prefer to use a pair of tall parallels right on my grinder chuck, which is precision leveled. works for me.
 
We have talked about this grinding wheel balancing subject many times. I've tried to buy quality but I just can't seem to find it.
I have the Oneway balance system that works well for bench grinders but for the surface grinder I remove material to find balance.
Just because the wheel is balanced, in my limited experience, doesn't mean there is no lateral run out.
I can watch the side to side movement. I'm using quality Sopko products carefully mounted.
I do have one wheel that runs great.
Watching Don Bailey's video again where he drills into the wheel just outside the adapter mounting surface gives me confidence this is an acceptable method, which I have done.
I use a getto balancing system but it allows me to identify the heavy side. I use bearings, a hub and drill rod on 2x4x6 blocks.
I have read in this forum the surface grinder wheels are made to a much higher tolerance and do not need balancing. That has not been my experience.
Frustrating.
 
I'm sure the drill method is great. I was taught a far more difficult method with 3 balancing weights running in a ring around the hub. It is very tedious. The newer Sopko method with the 2 washers works far faster than what I was taught. As long as the wheel is balanced, wear on the grinder is less, and the finish is better.

I would never run an unbalanced wheel to protect the bearings.
 
We have talked about this grinding wheel balancing subject many times. I've tried to buy quality but I just can't seem to find it.
I have the Oneway balance system that works well for bench grinders but for the surface grinder I remove material to find balance.
Just because the wheel is balanced, in my limited experience, doesn't mean there is no lateral run out.
I can watch the side to side movement. I'm using quality Sopko products carefully mounted.
I do have one wheel that runs great.
Watching Don Bailey's video again where he drills into the wheel just outside the adapter mounting surface gives me confidence this is an acceptable method, which I have done.
I use a getto balancing system but it allows me to identify the heavy side. I use bearings, a hub and drill rod on 2x4x6 blocks.
I have read in this forum the surface grinder wheels are made to a much higher tolerance and do not need balancing. That has not been my experience.
Frustrating.

As for lateral runout you can also dress the sides of the wheel. It's done all the time to relieve the wheel when grinding to an edge or form grinding. One of the pictures of my machine in post #12 shows a Carborundum wheel side dressed about 1/4" up. I used it to clean up a channel milled in a part.

You mentioned controversy in wheel selection. I believe there's just as much if not more controversy over the need to balance, and the methods of balancing small (7" diameter) surface grinding wheels. Personally I find I rarely need to balance a wheel. To this point when I've found one out of balance I've been able to correct it almost all the time by rotating it on the hub. I don't have any of the fancy hubs with sliding weights, so I have to either rotate the wheel, or attempt to dress it until an acceptable balance is achieved.

After posting yesterday I went to the shop and checked the balance on several of the hubs (adaptors). all except 1 was within the 2 gram limit of my balancing system. The lone one that wasn't within limits was actually 3 grams out of balance.

Of the 30 some wheels I have only a couple that wouldn't come into balance by rotating them. They came with the grinder and they're so old the labels are worn to the point I can't identify the manufacturer. They're actually worn to the stage they probably should be thrown in the trash, but I know the minute I do I'll find a use for them.

To add to the controversy I was taught that balancing a wheel by drilling into it was a no no. It was prohibited where I worked, and if you were found doing it the penalty could be as severe as being fired. I think it was a CYA policy in that the company wasn't willing to take a chance that someone could be injured or worse trying to save a $50.00 grinding wheel. Any wheels that were unable to be balanced or damaged were to be destroyed immediately.

Most of my grinding wheels have been purchased on eBay from an outfit called "tcitytrans" out of Farmington Missouri . They currently have listings for 34 wheels of various brands, sizes, and grits. Most are no name, and only a couple are Carborundum. There aren't currently any Norton's or Radiac's. As mentioned earlier from previous experiences I only buy Norton, Carborundum, and Radiac.
 
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