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I have the digital (cd rom) version of Machinery's Handbook edition #27, which requires Adobe Reader to open & use.

I don't like Adobe because it seems to slow my (already slow) computer down.

Does anyone know of a way to use Machinery's Handbook with Foxit Reader (or another low-resource pdf reader)? I tried messing around with the "File Open" plug-in for Foxit but I don't really know what I am doing and haven't gotten anywhere. I still get the error message that "this document is unsupported by an encryption handler".

I asked Industrial Press (publisher) via email but haven't gotten a response.

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I have the digital (cd rom) version of Machinery's Handbook edition #27, which requires Adobe Reader to open & use.

I don't like Adobe because it seems to slow my (already slow) computer down.

Does anyone know of a way to use Machinery's Handbook with Foxit Reader (or another low-resource pdf reader)? I tried messing around with the "File Open" plug-in for Foxit but I don't really know what I am doing and haven't gotten anywhere. I still get the error message that "this document is unsupported by an encryption handler".

I asked Industrial Press (publisher) via email but haven't gotten a response.

Thanks

https://pdfreaders.org/
 

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I use evince, which may or may not exist on your platform, but in general any PDF reader *should* work with it.
 

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Sounds like it's encrypted, which might only work with the Adobe reader. Someone posted this link to a normal PDF on Internet Archive a while back.
ttabbal - that link seems to work great on my computer. Thanks.
And I think you are right that the encryption will only work with Adobe Reader. I've tried it with several other readers over the years and have never gotten it to work with anything except Adobe.
 

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What operating system are you running?
 

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ttabbal - that link seems to work great on my computer. Thanks.
And I think you are right that the encryption will only work with Adobe Reader. I've tried it with several other readers over the years and have never gotten it to work with anything except Adobe.
I use Phantom PDF from Foxit. Works fine. I hate Adobe too.
 

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I am running Windows Pro 7 64 bit. I had Phantom awhile back and I couldn't get it to work either. MH 27 on disc had a weird encryption file that had to be read (added, used?) by the pfd reader, that was issued after registration by MH. Some goofy thing that I always had trouble with.

Edition 30 is designed to be read by generic pdf readers. I just found this out from Industrial press, who answered my email and confirmed that they could not get edition 27 to work with anything else but Abobe - even though they have tried too! They suggested I use edition 30 (they didn't say BUY edition 30 or suggest how I should go about obtaining that edition)!!

The link above works for me and since I paid full retail for edition 27 and can't get it to work I don't feel like a pirate for using edition 30 that does work.

ttabbal has solved my problem for me so this case is closed!
 

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FYI I'm using MH 29. Guess I got lucky.
 

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FYI I'm using MH 29. Guess I got lucky.
Maybe it is just MH 27?

Here is a copy of the email I got from Industrial Press: "
The MH27 program, which as you may know is 14+ years old, requires Adobe Reader or Acrobat to run. I have recently tried to work with another user to use a version of the newer MH29 with Foxit Reader and failed, so I do not think it will work with the MH27. The previous customer wrote me that he installed an Adobe Reader and created a shortcut somehow linking the Reader to the Handbook and was able to maintain Foxit Reader as the default for other documents. More simply, other customers right click on the MH30 program/icon, and do "Open With" and select the Adobe Reader; with some operating systems, after a few times, it may remember the default program.

I'm sorry I can't help you with the combination you would prefer. If your issue is that you don't want to use the Adobe products, the ebook version of the MH30 uses a proprietary reader that comes with the ebook.

Let me know if I can help further. "

SO I guess I've been trying on and off for around 14 years and have to agree with her!
 

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That's one of the reasons I hate the copy protection that people add to things I pay for. They are constantly giving some excuse for why they shouldn't have to make it work. In this case, it's "just" that you have to use Adobe reader, which isn't terrible, unless Adobe decides to stop letting you have it. Or they decide to stop supporting the 14 year old protection system, or whatever reason might come up. I shouldn't have to run a special version of some particular combination of software to use something I paid for. They shouldn't have to support everything, but a common thing like a newer version of Windows should be required. It's not MY fault they broke what they sold me.

And they wonder why people "pirate" things. pfftttt... Half the time it's exactly this sort of issue. People actually have a license, but can't use it for whatever reason. A normal PDF will work with any reader app. Many newer systems can display them natively without add on software. Mobile devices "just work" with them, etc..

Reference material like MH is excellent to have in digital form. Being able to search keywords is amazingly nice. I can and do read random sections on occasion or just browse the paper copy. But when I need to answer a question, search can be much faster.
 

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I should mention that I still had to find the DRM "decoder" to use with Phantom. Adobe requires some plugin to read the book, and I was able to find it for Phantom. I don't remember what it is called now. The manual is still locked down tight, but at least I don't have to use Adobe. It's really irritating because I can only read it on my PC, I can't just open it in my tablet when I'm in the shop.
 

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A possible work-around........for people with legal copies that lock you to Adobe bloatware....

Do these "locked" copies have printing restrictions too?

If not, you could install a "PDF printer" that actually creates PDF files from documents.
I have used both "BullZip PDF printer" and "PDFCreator":
Bullzip: http://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php
PDFCreator: https://www.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator

Either one intalls a new virtual device in Windows "Devices and Printers", but they don't actually print anything to paper.
Instead, they create PDF files from most applications just by selecting that device as a printer.

Then use Adobe viewer one last time to open the original locked document, and print it to the "PDF printer" device.
This way you may be able to create your own new PDF file without restrictions.
It may break any links in the document, but you should still have full text search capabilities.
For a document that size it would take some time.

They are also great for sharing (read-only) copies of documents with people that do not have the original applications(word, excel, etc.).

-brino
 

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In windows 7 after installing adobe open startup manager and un check every thing adobe. Then it won't run in the background. But you can still use it.
 
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