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RIMSPOKE

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AFTER 7 YEARS OF WORKING ON MY TG-500 PROJECT I AM FINALLY
IN THE STAGES OF FINAL ASSEMBLY .

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THE CAR IS A FAKE , REPLICA , COUNTERFEIT , WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT .
IT IS BUILT ON A KR-200 3 WHEELER CHASSIS AND USES A HONDA 600 DRIVETRAIN .
THE BODY PANELS ARE FIBERGLASS AND THE WHEELS FROM AN ISETTA .

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THAT BEING SAID , HAVING A FAKE TIGER ISN'T SO BAD . IT ALLOWS YOU TO
MAKE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT .
FOR EXAMPLE , THE ORIGINAL CARS DID NOT HAVE TILTING TAIL SECTIONS .
WITH A 36 HORSES IN A 700 POUND CAR , THIS WILL BE A VERY FAST MICROCAR !

THE CAR WILL BE TURQUOISE ! HERE IS THE TUB READY FOR ASSEMBLY .
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THE REAR SUB-FRAME IS OF MY OWN DESIGN . IT COMES APART IN TWO SECTIONS
SO THE LOWER PART CAN STAY IN THE CAR WHEN THE MOTOR IS REMOVED .

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I MADE MY OWN SPINDLES & HUBS FOR THE BRAKES . THE DISCS ARE MODIFIED MG MIDGET
PARTS AND IT USES WILWOOD 4 POT CALIPERS . I MADE THE LUG NUTS FROM STAINLESS STEEL .
YOU COULD NOT POSSIBLY FIT BIGGER BRAKES INSIDE A 10" WHEEL .

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THE MASTER HAS DUAL CIRCUITS AND MOUNTS AT AN ANGLE . THE PEDAL ASSEMBLY IS
ENTIRELY OF MY OWN DESIGN . THE RESERVOIR MOUNTS ON A WEDGE ADAPTER I MADE
TO KEEP IT LEVEL . THE SHORTENED DRIVE AXLES ARE ON THE FLOOR .

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THE BEST PART ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THAT MY WIFE IS AS EXCITED ABOUT IT AS I AM
AND WE WORK ON IT TOGETHER . JUST HAVING A GREAT TIME !
 

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You certainly have more confidence than myself. I wouldn't feel comfortable making my own spindles and lug nuts. That's a really cool project, nice work!


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I wouldn't feel comfortable making my own spindles and lug nuts. That's a really cool project, nice work!

THIS STUFF IS OVERBUILT .
THE SPINDLES & HUBS ARE MADE FROM HIGH STRENGTH STEEL .
I USED TAPER ROLLER BEARINGS INSTEAD OF THE BALL BEARINGS USED IN THE ORIGINAL CARS .

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THE LUG STUDS GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE ROTORS .
THE STUDS ARE 12mm SETSCREWS , GRADE 12.9 !
THE ORIGINAL CARS HAD 10mm BOLTS HOLDING THE WHEELS ON .

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THE SIZE INCREASE ALLOWED ME TO CHANGE THE BOLT PATTERN THAT MG USED FROM ENGLISH TO METRIC .
THIS WAS CRITICAL TO GETTING IT TO WORK AND I GOT STRONGER STUDS AS A BONUS .
THE FOUR LITTLE SCREWS HOLD THE ROTOR IN PLACE WHEN THE WHEEL IS REMOVED .

THE ROTOR IS 1/2" SMALLER DIAMETER THAN A STOCK ROTOR , JUST ENOUGH TO SQUEEZE IT INSIDE THE LITTLE WHEELS .
AND YES , I MADE AN EXTRA PAIR OF ROTORS IN CASE THE FIRST SET EVER WEARS OUT .

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NOPE , NO WORRIES ABOUT THIS STUFF BREAKING , IT's BUILT LIKE A BRICK HOUSE .
 

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Hope smaller rotors dont lead to fade or warpage. Under may lead to high temps

IT WEIGHS LESS THAN HALF OF THE CAR THE ROTORS WERE DESIGNED FOR .
I CHANGED THE O.D. NOT THE THICKNESS .
I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THEY WILL BE WORKING TOO HARD .
 

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IT WEIGHS LESS THAN HALF OF THE CAR THE ROTORS WERE DESIGNED FOR .
That will help. Od is what provides stopping power, and through that, eliminates heat. Not enough stopping power longer to stop, more heat more fade
 

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Wow what a wonderful project! Very nice work. I am pretty sure if not told it was an imposter I never would have known.
 

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Nice project! Reminds me of some of the mini-funny cars that were the rage around here about '79. Except they were scratch built on tube frames. I don't know who built the bodies for the ones I worked on, but they looked very much like their big brothers. What made these fun was the Kawasaki 750 triple that powered them. The fad didn't last long though.

Yours looks like it will be around a long time. Very cool.
 

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Yours looks like it will be around a long time. Very cool.

THESE CARS WERE IN PRODUCTION FROM 1958-61 .
THEY MADE ABOUT 320 OF THEM SO THEY WERE NEVER COMMON CARS .
TODAY AN ORIGINAL TG-500 PULLED OUT OF A BARN NEEDING EVERYTHING IS WORTH OVER 100 GRAND .

I DECIDED TO MAKE MY OWN USING A CHASSIS FROM THE MORE COMMON 3 WHEEL KR-200 .
MY CAR IS TITLED AS A 1959 MESSERSCHMITT & WILL BE COMPLETELY STREET LEGAL .

WE PUT THE MOTOR BACK IN IT TODAY . THE HONDA 600 COUPE DRIVETRAIN
LOOKS PRETTY BIG IN THE LITTLE CAR .

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THE ORIGINAL CARS WERE 500cc TWO STROKE WITH A REAR ENGINE .
JUST 20 HORSES BUT BAGS OF TORQUE . HERE IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE .

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MY 4 STROKE MOTOR IS HEAVIER BUT THE EXTRA WEIGHT IS IN FRONT OF THE REAR AXLE
SO I WILL HAVE BETTER WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION . AND WITH 36 HORSES , IT'LL BE QUICK .


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You and your wife should be very proud, it's a beautiful job and looks like it would be fun. I'd have to wear it like a roller skate , but I think they're cool little cars. Nice job on all the machining that I can see thumbs up . Good luck waiting for more pictures . God bless
 

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MORE PICTURES ?

HONDA DESIGNED THIS MOTOR TO GO IN THE FRONT OF A LITTLE CAR .
MAKES SENSE TO PUT THE AIR COOLED ENGINE UP FRONT WHERE ALL THE AIR IS .

HOWEVER , MY MOTOR WITH A CAR IN FRONT OF IT IS LIKELY TO HAVE COOLING ISSUES .
I HAVE TACKLED THE HEAT MONSTER ON SEVERAL FRONTS .

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THESE MOTORS HAVE AN ODD SETUP THAT SUCKS AIR THROUGH THE MOTOR INSTEAD OF BLOWING IT .
THE FAN LOOKS JUST LIKE AN 8" BOAT PROPELLER . IT IS BELT DRIVEN BY A MULTI PLANE
ARRANGEMENT SIMILAR TO THE CORVAIR . IT BLOWS STRAIGHT OUT THE BACK .

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THIS WAS NOT WELL SUITED FOR MY CAR SO I COMPLETELY REDESIGNED THE AIR SYSTEM .
THE ONLY PART I SAVED IS THE DRIVE PULLEY ON THE CRANK .

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MY SETUP USES TWO FANS MOUNTED ON A COMMON SHAFT . THEY ARE MOUNTED ON EACH
END OF A METAL BOX AND HAVE A LEFT & RIGHT HELIX SO THEY BOTH BLOW OUT .

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THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM HAD A LOT OF LEAKS . MY SIDE SHROUDS ( NOT PICTURED ) FIT SNUGLY AGAINST THE AIR BOX
THE TWO 6.5" FANS WILL MOVE ABOUT 25% MORE AIR BUT MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT THEY SEND
IT OUT THROUGH THE REAR WHEEL WELLS . THE BIG DENT IN THE AIR BOX IS TO CLEAR THE CARB FLOAT BOWL .

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I HAVE A SERIAL TAG FROM AN ORIGINAL TG-500 MOTOR MOUNTED ON MY AIR BOX .
I AM THINKING ABOUT MILLING THE "HONDA" OFF OF THE VALVE COVER & POLISHING IT .

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NEXT I WILL WORK ON PLUMBING THE BRAKE SYSTEM .
 

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WE HAVE FUNCTIONAL PEDALS ON THE CAR NOW .
THIS IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINALS .

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THE PARKING BRAKE WAS ON THE FRONT WHEELS BUT WITH THE BIG DISC BRAKES UP FRONT ,
I HAD TO PUT THE P.BRAKE AT THE REAR WHERE THE DRUMS ARE .
THE CABLE GOES THROUGH THE TUBE INTENDED FOR THE ACCELERATOR .
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THE CLUTCH PEDAL HAS A STRAIGHT PULL ON THE CABLE .

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THE ACCELERATOR CABLE IS ROUTED UP THE RIGHT SIDE CHASSIS TUBE .
NORMALLY THIS IS NOT USED BUT IT IS A WONDERFUL STRAIGHT ROUTE THAT COMES OUT NEAR THE CARB .

I DECIDED TO MILL THE "HONDA" LOGO OFF THE VALVE COVER JUST TO KEEP THEM GUESSING .
I GAINED 1/16" OF HOOD CLEARANCE IN THE PROCESS !

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THE MASTER IS SOURCED FROM A MG MIDGET & IS A DUAL CIRCUIT TYPE .
I MADE AN ALUMINUM WEDGE TO GET THE RESERVOIR LEVEL .

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IT EVEN HAS A DEAD PEDAL THAT SERVES AS A FOOTREST .
THE ASSEMBLY WAS HAND FABRICATED .
THE BRAKE & CLUTCH PEDALS WERE SOURCED FROM A 1950's HEINKEL MICROCAR .

WE WILL BE RUNNING THE HARD LINES SOON & BLEEDING THE SYSTEM FOR THE FIRST TIME .
 

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MAKING SOME GOOD PROGRESS ON THE TG .
I NOW HAVE A ROLLING CHASSIS THAT IS NEARLY READY TO DRIVE .

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THE SEATS ARE DONE AND THE BRAKES ARE FUNCTIONAL .
WAITING ON SOME MORE BODY PARTS TO GET COATED WITH TURQUOISE .

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ISETTA SPLIT RIMS HOUSE SOME BIG LITTLE BRAKES .
THE LINES HANGING OFF THE FRONT ARE FOR A FRONT MOUNTED OIL COOLER .

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THE STAINLESS GAS TANK WAS MADE FROM AN OLD SIGN .
AFCO SHOCKS & SPRINGS HOLD UP THE REAR . STAINLESS HEAT SHILEDS PROTECT THE TIRES .

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Just found this thread.
Excellent and AMBITIOUS project.
Beautiful work all around. I mean the planning and design as well as the execution.

I have one concern and two additional questions.

My concern is regarding the engine air cooling setup. Please show pics of the side shrouds installed.
Are you going to instrument the engine temperature at all?
I'm just thinking that I'd rather read "getting too hot" on a gauge than to find out any other way.
Having the front of those cylinders so close to that panel looks scary to me.
Maybe just my ignorance. I hope so.

What bushings did you choose for the rear suspension links?

I'm intrigued by the idea of having it " TITLED AS A 1959 MESSERSCHMITT".
The criteria is "what it sort'a looks like? Or, what the requester wants'ta call it. Or you work for the NC DMV? Or ????
 

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Just found this thread.
Excellent and AMBITIOUS project.
Beautiful work all around. I mean the planning and design as well as the execution.

I have one concern and two additional questions.

My concern is regarding the engine air cooling setup. Please show pics of the side shrouds installed.
Are you going to instrument the engine temperature at all?
I'm just thinking that I'd rather read "getting too hot" on a gauge than to find out any other way.
Having the front of those cylinders so close to that panel looks scary to me.
Maybe just my ignorance. I hope so.

What bushings did you choose for the rear suspension links?

I'm intrigued by the idea of having it " TITLED AS A 1959 MESSERSCHMITT".
The criteria is "what it sort'a looks like? Or, what the requester wants'ta call it. Or you work for the NC DMV? Or ????

SO MANY QUESTIONS .

AH YES , THE HEAT MONSTER . THE HONDA 600 MOTOR USES A FAN TO DRAW COOL AIR THROUGH THE MOTOR
INSTEAD OF BLOWING IT . THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE THERE IS NO SHROUDING ON THE INTAKE SIDE .
I DECIDED TO COMPLETELY REDO THEIR SHROUDING . MY DESIGN HAD TWO FANS INSTEAD OF ONE .

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EACH OF THE FANS EXHAUSTS AIR OUT THROUGH A REAR WHEEL-WELL THIS ARRANGEMENT MOVES 25% MORE AIR THAN STOCK
COOL AIR IS DRAWN IN FROM UNDER THE CENTER OF THE CAR AND DIRECTED THROUGH A PLENUM ON THE FIREWALL
TO PREVENT RECIRCULATION .
THE SIDE SHROUDS ON THE CYLINDERS SEAL UP THE LEAKS THAT HONDA NEVER ADDRESSED .

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THE EXHAUST PIPING IS MADE FROM STAINLESS AND IS JET-HOT CERAMIC COATED INSIDE & OUT TO KEEP UNDERHOOD
TEMPS DOWN .

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FINALLY , I HAVE AN OIL COOLER MOUNTED IN THE NOSE OF THE CAR . THESE ENGINES NEEDED THE COOLER ANYWAY
AND I DO INDEED HAVE AN OIL TEMP GAUGE TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT . ( ONE OF TWO EXTRA GAUGES )

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THE BUSHINGS ON THE REAR SUSPENSION ARE MADE OF OILLITE BRONZE . EVERY MOVING PART HAS A ZERK FITTING .
THIS MAY GIVE A BIT OF A HARSH RIDE COMPARED TO RUBBER OR URETHANE BUT IT WILL GIVE PRECISE CONTROL
AND IS EASILY REBUILT IF THE TIME EVER COMES .

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THE CAR IS TITLED AS A 1959 MESSERSCHMITT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I STARTED WITH .
THE TUB IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF A KR-200 CHASSIS AND I DID ORIGINALLY PUT IT TOGETHER AS A 3 WHEELER .
AFTER I HAD THE TITLE FOR THAT CAR CLEARED WITH THE DMV , I WAS AT LIBERTY TO TAKE IT APART
AND REBUILD IT IN THE 4 WHEEL CONFIGURATION . THIS IS WHERE HOT RODS COME FROM .
 

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AN UPDATE ON THE TG PROJECT .
I HAVE THE NOSE PANEL ON THE CAR NOW WITH MOST OF THE ORNAMENTATION .

THE OIL COOLER IS MOUNTED & PLUMBED SO I CAN FINISH FILLING THE ENGINE
AND GET THE OIL CIRCULATING .

ONCE I FINISH THE WIRING , I WILL BE ABLE TO START IT FOR THE FIRST TIME
AND TAKE IT FOR A TEST DRIVE !

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What do you plan to do about bumpers?

THE ORIGINAL CARS DIDN'T HAVE BUMPERS & NEITHER WILL MINE .
 
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