Radius ball turner

I've been wanting to make a ball turner for quite some time. Well, this past week I finally got a "round 2 it"! My first tool holder attempt caused me to say some things, that I'm glad my son didn't hear...
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...but I managed to get it right the second attempt! I first tried mounting the base to the location where the compound rest normally occupies, but soon learned that I would not have enough room, between the radius turner and the lathes center line....
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On the right side of the pic, you can JUST make out the tip of the live center in the tailstock...so went back to the drawing board, and decided that I would remake the base, suited to mount on the cross slide...20190122_210105.jpg
Well, I deffinately had more clearance now, but something else hit me like a ton of bricks. I had no means of moving it forward or backward, something I didn't even consider since it was originally going to be mounted on the compound. Also, I really disliked having to use the gib from the cross slide, it was just SO oversized for this little 4" tool, so I decided to make it's own gib.

Well, this got me to thinking...there is no way that I am going to be able to keep up with that little gib, when the turner was not in use. My solution was to embed the small cut off section, that was cut in order to be able to use transfer screws to place my gib screws in the right location, with a few magnets. Viola! No losing the new gib now!

As far as for making the tool move forward and backward, I decided to make an nut that would ride on the original cross feed screw, and i was quite pleased with how well it turned out, not to mention it worked!!
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After fixing those few road blocks, I decided to gun blue the toolpost, and obviously had to change the color of the lock down screws, so there would be some contrast. That process, again, turned out surprisingly well....
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Only thing left to now, is mill the top of the tool holder down enough to accept an insert, and to put it right on the center line, then drill/tap the screw to hold the insert....and, oh yeah, make a brass ball for its handle!;)
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Anyways, thanks for looking. It was a fun project!

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The illustration Jimsehr shows is a "post" cutter holder which obviously doesn't allow a full hemispherical sweep in the face. If the cutter holder is U shaped this allows clearance when the pivot point is directly under or slightly past the face plane.
DanK
 
After thinking about this for a few minutes, I have concluded that we have started comparing apples to oranges...

The original topic was about ball turning tools... but I can't seem to picture in my head how your tool could turn a ball... so would it actually be a radius ball turner?

Or maybe I'm just missing something?

I'm not trying to be argumentative... just trying to connect the dots...

-Bear
 
The pics in post #36,#37,and #38 show actual cutters and parts made with them.
Tool in pic #36 will cut a ball or a radius into od of a bar. Tool is made to cut 1 inch dia ball. Or you could use outer swing of tool And cut 1 1/2 radius into od of bar dia .

Bear
look back at post # 30.

To look back at early posts you can search forum for topics like BALL TURNER and posted by Jimsehr
 
The illustration Jimsehr shows is a "post" cutter holder which obviously doesn't allow a full hemispherical sweep in the face. If the cutter holder is U shaped this allows clearance when the pivot point is directly under or slightly past the face plane.
DanK
Very nice. A question though, when using one of these it seems the centerline of the pivot should be exactly on (and perpendicular to) the centerline of the spindle. How does one measure this to know when it is on center?


This is one way to find lathe center. If 1 inch dia bar extending from spindle depth mic down to tool tip 1/2 bar dia and you have center.

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Imma gonna jump in here since I am a curious newbie looking to obtain (make?) a combination convex/concave turning tool. At first I couldn't conceive how a boring bar tool could do concave, but it all depends on where the pivot point is. And Latinrascalrg1 and 682bear confirm it.
In the case of convex (ball) the boring head cutter pivot axis passes through the work piece axis at the ball center and perpendicular it. If the workpiece is not a ball but a circulare plate with rounded edge, the pivot axis of the cutter is elevated (in the case of the boring bar holder) above the axis of the workpiece so that the apex of the cutter pivoting circumference coincides with the circumference of the workpiece. If the cutter pivot axis is moved further up so that the boring bar cutter is cutting in the bottom semicircle of it's arc, the apogee, and the cutter axis is tangent to the circumference of the circular plate, one gets a semi-circular groove in the edge of the plate.

So that geometry works for a wide range of stuff. Now my question is, most bending dies are fairly large diameters. How does one hold the boring bar axis high and rigid enough to cut a 4" or bigger tube bending die? And be infinitely adjustable from min to max height?

Ultimately, I don't want an array of tools, but one tool that can cut convex up to about 2 1/2" diameter and concave up to 2 1/2" diameter on the periphery of a circular disk up to maybe 8". It's a wide range, but hey. There's enough expertise here to make rocket ships and nuclear subs isn't there? Am I expecting too much? I don't want to reinvent the wheel if it isn't necessary.

DanK
 
I have made a number of radius turners and I make them so I can adjust the radius I want. One thing I don’t think a ball bearing is needed. I don’t think a HOME shop is going to make more than 100 balls. If more than that are needed I would go to a shop with CNC machines. If anyone wants to build a radius turner
email me and I will try to help . Jimatcf@hotmail.com
 
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