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I am in the process of being given a Jet 1024PY metal lathe. It has been sitting outside for an unknown period. The ways and the carriage components all have what looks like surface rust. What are the recommended methods for removing the rust? Is electrolysis an acceptable approach for the components like the carriage parts, the tail stock, and the 3 and 4 jaw chucks? What about the ways? How do I get those cleaned up without damaging them?

In addition to the rust, the left side of the skirt for the quick change gears has broken off and is missing along with the left quick change selector handle. Any ideas on how to replace either of these?

Any information will be appreciated!

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You can use electrolysis for removing rust on any part of a lathe. It will likely remove the paint as well.
 

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Hello...
Keith Rucker has a good video on electrolytic rust removal using washing soda " none toxic " that will get you started.

If your pockets are overflowing you could also us Evapo-Rust to get the rust off... Then use ultra fine Scotch Bright some oil and elbow grease to clean up the ways.

Neither will harm / Damage the iron when done properly.. Most important is researching each method well before you begin, there are other methods you can us, these 2 work well and are pretty well known in the machine tool circles..

Good luck with you project... And have fun.
 

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man that guy is setting on a gold mine!
 

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Hello...
Keith Rucker has a good video on electrolytic rust removal using washing soda " none toxic " that will get you started.
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Good luck with you project... And have fun.
Mr. Mike, Thanks for the reference to Keith Rucker. I watched his Electrolysis video and then several of his videos on restoring the LeBlond lathe. While my Jet 1024 is no LeBlond, it will be helpful to see how he goes about the process of disassembling, cleaning, painting, and reassembling the lathe. Also his video on cleaning and servicing lathe chucks will be very helpful.

I believe this will be a fun project!
 

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Mr. Mike, Thanks for the reference to Keith Rucker. I watched his Electrolysis video and then several of his videos on restoring the LeBlond lathe. While my Jet 1024 is no LeBlond, it will be helpful to see how he goes about the process of disassembling, cleaning, painting, and reassembling the lathe. Also his video on cleaning and servicing lathe chucks will be very helpful.

I believe this will be a fun project!
You will have a blast if you like fixing and fiddling. The science is fun too. I won't say its not alot of work, I'm very new to all this myself.

There is alot to learn.. Take your time. If you want to get an idea what to expect check out my posting I just got my first lathe - Logan 875 on the Logan lathe board...

You will find an answer or two for some of your researching.
 

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And so it begins...

A week ago, I stopped by my neighbor (Clovis Vintage Machinery - https://www.facebook.com/Clovis-Vintage-Machinery-158689440981001/) to talk to him about the 10+ foot long South Bend lathe sitting in his driveway. As we talked, I noticed that there was a bench top lathe sitting on the ground next to the driveway. When I asked him about it, he said he got it free off Craigslist. It turned out to be something he was not interested in working on, did I want it? I have done woodworking all of my adult life and have always thought it would be fun to have a metal lathe, so of course I would like to have it, how much? Free and he would even deliver it in his service truck with the 3 ton crane. He said he could deliver it the next weekend, and we were all set.

I knew it was going to be a project to get it running, but I think I am up to the challenge. The lathe is a Jet model 1024PY. Apparently it had fallen at some point and the left hand Quick Change gear selector and the crossfeed handle had taken the brunt of the fall. More on that later.

So last Saturday he brought it to my home. I had a bench that was built for an old Sears Craftsman jointer (another restoration project in the waiting) that was just the right size for the lathe. Because I am limited on space, I wanted to be able to move it around as I work on restoring it, so I put some casters under the bench. He lifted it out of his truck and we took the chip pan off while it was still on the crane. I used the chip pan to mark the location for holes for mount the lathe. We then set it down and bolted it to the table. He drove off and left me with my new toy/project. As I rolled it into the garage, one of the caster caught in the cement joint between the driveway and garage and it almost tipped over. Fortunately, I was able to divert that disaster. So now the lathe is sitting in the garage and I have started the process of cleaning it up and seeing if I can actually "restore" it to full operation.

My inexperienced examination revealed the following:
Good point:
  • The headstock and all the gears turn freely as do the drive belts
  • The motor runs and drives the headstock
  • The carriage moves up and down the ways
  • The compound moves in and out and pivots as it should
  • Included are a 3 jaw scroll chuck, a 4 jaw independent chuck, a faceplate, and a lantern style tool holder
  • Also included is the tail stock
Major Problems:
  • The main selector on the Quick Change gar box is broken (all parts are present)
  • The skirt for the Quick Change that has the holes for positions the selectors is broken (again the broken piece is present)
  • The bracket that attaches the crossfeed screw to the saddle is broken in several places:
    • The ears that hold the bolts that attach the screw to the saddle are broken off, part of one is present but the other is completely gone
    • The back of the bracket that hold one of the bearing is cracked off of the bracket
Minor Problems
  • Lots of surface rust
  • The carriage handwheel is broken (it will work to move the carriage, but will need to be replaced before using the lathe)
  • The crank handle for the crossfeed is bent
  • The crossfeed screw is bent but I think I can get it straight enough to work. Right now the nut binds in the channel at the far end of its travel.
  • The 3-button Forward-Off-Reverse switch has been replaced with a simple on-off light switch. This works for forward operation but does not allow reversing the motor.
  • The tail stock is missing the spindle or any center
Obviously the Major Problems above are going to require a lot of looking for replacement parts and/or figuring out how to repair or replace the broken parts. I think I could figure out a way to lock the Quick Change in place in one of the gears, but the crossfeed is going to be a real problem. I have neither the knowledge or skills to manufacture a replacement for the bracket. But I do have access to a "maker space" that has the equipment and probably some people that have the skills to help me manufacture something to make it work.

Progress:
  • Removed the 3 jaw chuck that was mounted on the lathe and started disassembling in preparation for a through cleaning,
  • Removed the compound and the crossfeed saddle for cleaning
  • Removed the crossfeed screw and mounting bracket for repair/replacement

If any one has or know of anyone that has parts for a Jet Model 1024PY, I would be appreciate hearing from you. Also looking for information on paint. There are a number of heavy scratches in the paint and I would like to repaint it. I want keep it the original green color, or something close to it.

I think this is going to be an interesting project, which when finished will result in a toy to play with and make some chips.
 

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If you can find a Jet 1024PY to get parts from, that should work. There are a lot of Asian lathes that all look near exactly the same from 5 feet away, but you cannot bet that any of the parts will fit YOUR lathe. The makers stick to a standard design, but often size to fit. Jet is known for being much better than most Asian manufacturers in that respect. Any of those parts can be made or repaired by someone skilled at doing so. Unfortunately, you gain experience by doing things you did not know how to do. If you are someone willing to spend the time, do the legwork, and tackle the issues one step at a time, WITHOUT GIVING UP or moving it to the ignore category, you will eventually have success. Before you start, have a heart to heart with yourself and a good look at yourself in the mirror, and decide whether you meet the requirements for the job.

Remember that you can probably buy a working lathe similar to that one for about $1K or so without tooling.
 

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I f you have the time
 

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I have a Jet 1024P. Grizzly used to sell their version of it's big brother the G9249, which was a 12 x 37. Though they no longer sell the lathe, they do still sell most of the parts for it. So, they may be a source. My lathe was missing some of the threading change gears. I took a chance and ordered the Gears for the G9249 and they were a perfect fit. I also ordered a Gib adjustment screw for the cross-slide that also was a exact replacement.

https://www.grizzly.com/products/g9249/parts

If you haven't found it yet, in the downloads section of the forum, there are a bunch of manuals for the Various Brands that the 1024 lathe was produced under. I've taken sections from many of them to make a "super" manual, as each manual may have a section with additional information, not covered by the other manuals.

http://www.hobby-machinist.com/resources/categories/jet.636/
 

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I have a Jet 10x24 PY, in running condition, The only thing I have found is somehow some of the small belt way on the spindle pulley got broken off. But everything else is fine. So I can take pics if needed. I also have one of the old Off brand 10X24 that also matches some of the earlier Jet 10X24s. It is one that I am working on, Still need to get/make a new Backplate made for it. so I can get the headstock lined up properly as I had it off and replaced all the bearings.
 

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I did not know the Jet 1024PY was similar to the Grizzly G9249. I have a Grizzly G9249 if you need any measurements from my lathe.
This lathe was manufactured in late 1999. I may be the third owner.

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WHAT!!! Now we are 'restoring' Jet lathes? Sorry but my idea of restoring ends in the 1960's.

Seriously, those Jets are ok, worth some effort to clean and fix and what not. Keep us posted on your progress,
 

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Ulma doctor , Have you ever noticed that all copies of the Document are missing pages 29 and 30, I think that is the two. For the headstock. Have found it several places and they all seem to be the same one.
I have the 10x24PY, I wish it had the control rod, think that is what the 3rd rod is.

The Grizzly on my other 10X24 some parts fit, some do not. Have not had to replace much on this one yet.
 

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Seriously, those Jets are ok,,
Only OK? I think they are great....cheers.

My baby Jet is my favorite, deessed up like a Christmas tree, green and red. It cuts dang near zero taper with super nice finish. Chambered over a couple of dozens of AR barrels through it.

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Ulma doctor , Have you ever noticed that all copies of the Document are missing pages 29 and 30, I think that is the two. For the headstock. Have found it several places and they all seem to be the same one.
I have the 10x24PY, I wish it had the control rod, think that is what the 3rd rod is.

The Grizzly on my other 10X24 some parts fit, some do not. Have not had to replace much on this one yet.
Wow Kvt,
until you mentioned it, i didn't notice the missing pages-
i'll attach the LAM lathe manual too, the info is more complete in the headstock drawing
 

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Were those Jet 1024s made in Taiwan or China? (or Japan?)
Mark
 

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I have a Jet 1024P. Grizzly used to sell their version of it's big brother the G9249, which was a 12 x 37. Though they no longer sell the lathe, they do still sell most of the parts for it. So, they may be a source. My lathe was missing some of the threading change gears. I took a chance and ordered the Gears for the G9249 and they were a perfect fit. I also ordered a Gib adjustment screw for the cross-slide that also was a exact replacement.

https://www.grizzly.com/products/g9249/parts
DAT510 - Thanks for the link to Grizzly. I may give them a try for the Quick Change gear selector. Their drawing doesn't look quite the same my broken piece, but looks like it functions the same. I will have to check on their return policy if it simply doesn't fit. The other broken piece is the bracket for mounting the crossfeed screw. The Grizzly part does NOT look like it would be a direct replacement, but it does give me an idea of how to build a replacement part. Great resource! Thanks.
 

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here is a manual for the jet 1024
A quick call to Jet last week resulted in an email from them with a clean PDF of the Owners Manual. Looks like it is the same one as your post. Thanks
 

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I did not know the Jet 1024PY was similar to the Grizzly G9249. I have a Grizzly G9249 if you need any measurements from my lathe.
This lathe was manufactured in late 1999. I may be the third owner.

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Dave, Thanks for the post. I may be following up with you to see if you can take some measurements on the quick change select arm. That is the one broken part that I may have to buy if I can find one that will fit. I won't know what kind of measurements I will need until I can get the part that is still in the machine out so I can measure it. I'll be in touch.
 

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Yea, I go the same one from Jet when I contacted them, They had no explanation on the missing pages ether, theirs is a little cleaner copy if I remember correctly, Have to find my backups in order to check.
Ok, The selectors both are the same on both of my 10X24s, from what I can tell, Only had one set completely apart.
On the part for cross feed screw are you talking the part that has two screws that hold it to the carriage, and it houses the two thrust bearings for the cross feed screw. It has the mark for your hand wheel on it. If you have the old one, and a mill you may be able to make that. Both of mine are different. The main thing is that it does not stick up above the Carriage and that it holds the gear for powered cross feed in the correct place (not real critical) The alignment for the bores for the thrust bearings are more important.
also you could have Dave take a picture of his Grizzly and compare it to what you have or one of us that have the 10X24s have. before you go and order it.
 

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Nope, It is more like my other 10x24, The PY has the counter shaft inside the back of the headstock. The headstock is longer in the back, and sticks out over the motor where the belt comes up into it.
 

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I have been working a little each evening and probably too much on weekends (according to my wife) on my Jet 1024PY. I have gotten all the problem pieces off the machine and am beginning to work on resolutions. As identified before the big problems are with the broken quick change selector and cover and the broken and bent pieces in the cross feed screw. I am taking the quick change parts to a cousin that is a professional welder to see if they can be restored to working order. I have asked Grizzly for specification on their version of the crossfeed screw to see if it can be used as a replacement for mine that is badly bent.

One issue I am scratching my head over is the oil in the main bearing in the headstock. There are 2 sight glasses on the front of the headstock housing that show the oil level in the bearing. Short of completely disassembling the main shaft in the headstock, any ideas on how to drain and flush these oil cavities? I haven't found any drain plugs. One sight glasses shows some fluid in it. Since the machine sat outside for some time, I know I need to flush out any old fluid and put in fresh oil. And of course, the two pages missing from the manual I have are the parts diagram of the top of the headstock that might have given me some idea on how to drain the oil. Any idea for draining/flushing these oil cavities would be appreciated.

Does anyone know how those sight glasses are held in place? Are they a press fit that could be removed to allow flushing out through them and then replaced? Ideas?

Thanks!
 
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Sight glasses are just press fitted in. Right way or not, when I drained mine I just stuck the wet vac hose on the opening. Flushed them. Re-filled and flushed my twice.

To minimize the mess, I taped a piece of paper below the openings to catch the oil into a small container.
 

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Sight glasses are just press fitted in. Right way or not, when I drained mine I just stuck the wet vac hose on the opening. Flushed them. Re-filled and flushed my twice.

To minimize the mess, I taped a piece of paper below the openings to catch the oil into a small container.
Thanks for the response. Not sure I understand: Did you stick the vac hose in the sight glass hole or the fill hole on top of housing? If through sight glass hole, how did you remove the sight glass? Mine are flush mounted, I can't see how to get a hold of them to pull them out.

BTW: I like the tribute to your father. My dad was a P-39 pilot in the South Pacific for 22 months. And thank you for your service!
 
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