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GunsOfNavarone

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Alright, I admit this may be a LITTLE misleading, however this could save you a lot of money. I went to check tracking on my lathe i just ordered (the next morning) and there are now huge tariffs on the equipment on Grizzly. I saved $362 by placing my order before today. If they have it in stock, you're safe. If it was out of stock...huge tariff.
If you're THINKING of buying something overseas, best of luck. This increase in price bums me out, but doesn't make the American version anymore affordable to me.
 

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I THINK if it is to be shipped into the USA after 7/5/18...the tariff exists. If the item is already on American soil, you're safe. Don't hold me to it, but I'm scrambling to get a mill purchased now!
 

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From a couple of news items I've read, ships were hauling arse to get loaded and underway, I guess that makes a difference too.
We might start seeing smaller items coming through Malaysia and such. I ordered some inserts and they showed shipping through there.
 

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You know, maybe an America made product will now be competitive.
Minimum wage is going to $15 an hour in less than two years.
California that is.
I wonder what it is in China?
 

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They must make squat. From what I heard, if they can make a cent more down the road, their gone. So a lot of turn over. It must be true, looking at one shipment, parts are ok. The next one, missing holes, or wrong size, or just wrong. Then we get to rework a few hundred parts.....:dread:
This happens all the time.......Every month....Same crap. Engineers just shrug their shoulders and walk away. ( See wrench flying towards them) ( In My mind)
 

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I agree with Nelson. Although I'd like to talk tariffs, lets leave it to the idiots in each countries capitals
 

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I see now this COULD be a controversial issue, I'll do my best to skirt this. A related question though, if this now makes American made products more competitive, WHO is that? I mean in the milling/lathe/CNC/Machinist realm. Most things nowadays are MADE OF Chinese -ium.
 

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I just got a decent sized order of carbide inserts directly from China, no added tax on it? I guess there is some kind of limit my orders are falling under. Most are usually under $100. I have 3 small orders in the mail now of various tooling. Just got in two separate orders of carbide end mills. I see that Grizzly has added the tariff cost on some of the lathes and they are showing as out of stock.

The biggest impact on my business was with the aluminum strip cost going out of sight. Thankfully I bought a two years plus supply of my most used aluminum stock 6 months ago. Aluminum has jumped at least $1 per pound in the thicker metal and the thin stuff has shot up to $3.00 more than 6 months ago. I've see some well over $6 per pound. Thats copper territory!

I talked to my main metal strip supplier and he said H14 aluminum is higher per pound than 110 copper today. I probably just bought one of the last aluminum rolls left at semi-sane pricing. But, I needed it for a new project. I'm glad I didn't pay over $6 like some folks are. I think I would just pass or buy copper.

I better not get started complaining about A2 tool steel prices! Its more than any 25% increase folks. Maybe the supply will come back and prices will become more reasonable. Aluminum pricing its just stupid right now. I guess gov types don't realize it cost much more to make Aluminum in the US than say Canada, I bet the imported aluminum will still be cheaper even with the 25%. I wish it was just 25% in increased cost, but that is not so. I bet lots of guys are hurting bad right now, I can absorb the increase for now. But, if it goes on long all end user prices will go up drastically. More than any 25%.
 

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I'm in the process of buying a PM-932M— been studying it for some months now, but I wanted to get the garage floor painted first. I couldn't expect a shiney new machine to perform properly on a stained, ugly floor. During that time, the price has jumped twice, a total of $300. PM confirms the increases are due to tariffs, so that's put an end to my vacillations. Snooze and lose, as I've so often been told. It's equally annoying when I'm holding items in my Amazon cart and I get an email saying the price on an item has changed— and it never goes down.
 

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I'm in the process of buying a PM-932M— been studying it for some months now, but I wanted to get the garage floor painted first. I couldn't expect a shiney new machine to perform properly on a stained, ugly floor. During that time, the price has jumped twice, a total of $300. PM confirms the increases are due to tariffs, so that's put an end to my vacillations. Snooze and lose, as I've so often been told. It's equally annoying when I'm holding items in my Amazon cart and I get an email saying the price on an item has changed— and it never goes down.
Man I'm in the same boat...I have the $ set aside for the mill, I am concerned about space and I'm waiting to pick up the lathe this Friday and then really eval my available space. A mill takes up more than I think I picture...maybe 4ft sq, but the tariff.....I'm gonna be kicking myself like the Jet 16 I faultered on and missed out. Maybe this tariff thing will crush Wal-Mart's grapes....I'd LOVE that!
 

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That's why I bought a 3-in-1 in the first place, twenty-some years ago. The Smithy is a good enough lathe for me, but milling capacity is really small. Plus, there's the constant changing of set ups. You usually have to remove the 3-jaw to get any Y travel (which, of course, is sideways and X-ish), and that's a pain. I putzed around for months trying to get around to clearing out some room, which involved actually throwing stuff out— you know how hard that is. Half the garage is still sitting in the driveway, but knowing a half ton of cast iron is speeding it's way toward me has been the motivation I needed. BTW, PM will take your order and hold delivery— I think they will allow up to 60 days, but no refund if you have second thoughts.
 

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That's why I bought a 3-in-1 in the first place, twenty-some years ago. The Smithy is a good enough lathe for me, but milling capacity is really small. Plus, there's the constant changing of set ups. You usually have to remove the 3-jaw to get any Y travel (which, of course, is sideways and X-ish), and that's a pain. I putzed around for months trying to get around to clearing out some room, which involved actually throwing stuff out— you know how hard that is. Half the garage is still sitting in the driveway, but knowing a half ton of cast iron is speeding it's way toward me has been the motivation I needed. BTW, PM will take your order and hold delivery— I think they will allow up to 60 days, but no refund if you have second thoughts.
I guess purchasing via Amazon, holding the order isn't an option. PM says it has to ship immediately. I guess kinda the good thing about purchasing through Amazon if you're a prime member. I am waiting until this weekend and my lathe has found its place in the shop, then I will hit the purchase button on the mill. I am so close to just saying F it and do it now....but I'm supposed to be a adult and be responsible....I HATE IT!!!!
 

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I guess purchasing via Amazon, holding the order isn't an option. PM says it has to ship immediately. I guess kinda the good thing about purchasing through Amazon if you're a prime member. I am waiting until this weekend and my lathe has found its place in the shop, then I will hit the purchase button on the mill. I am so close to just saying F it and do it now....but I'm supposed to be a adult and be responsible....I HATE IT!!!!
I just ordered My PM-932M today, delivery in about 2 weeks. The tariff had jacked the price, so I was going to skip the power down feed and save $500 (which seemed a bit steep), but the model coming in includes it for $300. Rather than wait until August and maybe pay even more, I went for it. Incidentally, PM's terms and conditions say you can have them hold an order for up to 2 months without an extra charge: "For example: a customer orders an item that is in stock but can not accept delivery yet, so requests us to hold the item for a certain time period before we ship. This would be non refundable for any reason. Also, storage charge of $100 per month would apply after 60 days of holding. " Catch is, you can't change your mind about the purchase.
 

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Yeah, I'm a bit irritated with PM right now....for 2 weeks they have had three pm727's and I was waiting to put my mill in Friday. 3 hours after posting what i did about Amazon (previous post) about that machine, they pulled all 3 from Amazon. I saw them there at 4:30 and by 7 all 3 units were pulled. They obviously watch the posts around here, why they care? I dunno. Making me revisit my Grizzly choices. They don't offer that machine, the stand and shipping for 2k at PM....Amazon Prime made it a done deal for me. Ugh.
 

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Yeah, I'm a bit irritated with PM right now....for 2 weeks they have had three pm727's and I was waiting to put my mill in Friday. 3 hours after posting what i did about Amazon (previous post) about that machine, they pulled all 3 from Amazon. I saw them there at 4:30 and by 7 all 3 units were pulled. They obviously watch the posts around here, why they care? I dunno. Making me revisit my Grizzly choices. They don't offer that machine, the stand and shipping for 2k at PM....Amazon Prime made it a done deal for me. Ugh.
I just checked and it looks like Amazon has six more: Amazon, but the free shipping price includes all but about $20 of the PM shipping charge. Might be worth a double sawbuck if you want to hold delivery. Do you ever get near Branson? We take the trip a couple of times a year and drive right by the Grizzly store. If you can get there, you can order on line or by phone (to make sure of the mill being in stock) and save shipping costs. I bought a rotary table that way.
 

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That's not the deal unfortunately...
The deal,
I think they realized that prime members were getting free shipping and if you try to replicate that deal/cost on their website, it ends up $150 or so more...why would people shop their website? Kinda crappy really...
 

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I just checked and it looks like Amazon has six more: Amazon, but the free shipping price includes all but about $20 of the PM shipping charge. Might be worth a double sawbuck if you want to hold delivery. Do you ever get near Branson? We take the trip a couple of times a year and drive right by the Grizzly store. If you can get there, you can order on line or by phone (to make sure of the mill being in stock) and save shipping costs. I bought a rotary table that way.
Unfortunately one would have to pay 8.1% sales tax if you pick it up at their store in Mo so that likely offsets a good portion if not all of the shipping costs.
 

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Unfortunately one would have to pay 8.1% sales tax if you pick it up at their store in Mo so that likely offsets a good portion if not all of the shipping costs.
and aboot $1000 in gas for me (I get 16 mpg w/o towing) but that would be an awesome experience...a tool store on acid. We HAD a TOOLKING just a couple miles from my house....guess they ALL went under. Bummer.
 

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and aboot $1000 in gas for me (I get 16 mpg w/o towing) but that would be an awesome experience...a tool store on acid. We HAD a TOOLKING just a couple miles from my house....guess they ALL went under. Bummer.
I've been to the Griz store in Springfield many times. Couple of hours drive for me. It's a very cool place.

Really, really want to get a bigger lathe but the tariffs are making me wait and continue to search for something used.
 

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Rats, I was looking at the 727 without the stand. Sorry for false hope. Too many options... try to get the best price and you can end up going mad. However, I don't think the tariffs are going away anytime soon, and may get worse. Some dealers probably won't drop prices after they're gone, anyway, although Matt assures me PM will and hints that Grizzly won't. Time will tell...
 
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