Van Norman spindle taper grinding

aaronpadilla

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Hi there,
I would like to share my setup to grind the spindle taper, may be it will be useful to someone.
It was very badly pitted apparently from years of misuse so I got the carriage of my small lathe and the grinder.
 

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I take it you meant compound, not carriage.

I looked at the pics twice before I saw the compound, trying to fogure out how you did the movement. Great idea you came up with.
 
How did it turn out? Are you happy with the result? Any tips you want to pass along?
Pitting normally would not be serious enough to warrant a re-grind but yours must have been really severe
-Mark
 
How did it turn out? Are you happy with the result? Any tips you want to pass along?
Pitting normally would not be serious enough to warrant a re-grind but yours must have been really severe
-Mark
The runout was bad, I have tried to pass it to prussian blue and scrap the high spots but I got a worse runout, I think it was very distorted, for some reason the taper was hit pretty hard and the key was just crushed over it. check photos

About result, I am pretty happy, my runout is gone, the prussian blue says that the angle is good, the only problem are some mini-slots in the most external part of taper from my first try but I gonna live with, the most I pass the stone, the wider the taper is so I prefer let it this way.

My tips:

May be this is a begginer error but check my stone, you have to be careful about the shape, you better to remove a few mils of the body, to use only 5-6 mm of the tip, my first try was with a complete stone and that made a sort of chatter.

Check that spindle is perfectly horizontal with respect to compound, I did it from the inside, advancing the compound with the feeler dial.

Center vertically your grinder the best you can, I did it holding a dead center in the spindle and a small drill bit in the grinder

Check that dovetail of compound is tight.

I got the taper angle using a good spot on the spindle and following it with the feeler dial (perfectly centered vertically), moving the compound and adjusting the compound angle until I got no deflection on dial, but may be there are better techniques.

Very important: Dress your stone moving the compound once it is to the desired angle and centered (vertical), I have scraped some other pieces trying to dress my stone otherwise, but it is just my experience.

Use the locks on your mill to be sure that only the compounds is moving while grinding.

Have fun!
 

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Hi there,
I would like to share my setup to grind the spindle taper, may be it will be useful to someone.
It was very badly pitted apparently from years of misuse so I got the carriage of my small lathe and the grinder.
Was this originally a C type collet?
What was your final runout?
 
Doesn't look like a C collet, looks like a 30 or 40 ...
I have the same grinder, I have the large wheel on the motor and small on the spindle, gives higher speeds for these small internal stones.
I need to make a new one, my new belt is loose, so I will make a larger wheel.
To me it looks like he mounted the entire cross slide onto the table, and that way he uses the compound on it, which seems like a good idea to get the taper right.
 
Thanks for the reply... It might be a 30 taper, but if you look up inside there is some collar or bushing to support the drawbar, I expect, is that part removable, because it stops the ISO30 from having a chance of seating......
 

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I also noticed what could be a C collet sitting on the machine in the second pic...... See this screen shot of the above pic.
 

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I reground my 16L spindle from the 5v unobtanium collet to a dual r-8 / CAT30 taper.
Now I can use either by changing the drawbar!
I first started by putting the head in horizontal mode and putting a boring bar in vice and opening up the .850" tube to the .950" as deep as the r-8 needed. Then angled the head down the 8* or so to match the iso30/ CAT30 taper and then ground the taper with my harbour freight long neck die grinder mounted in a home made holder and stop when the opening was around 32 mm. Runout went from OMG to under one half thou. I will need better indicator to check further. Time to make some chips and test it out. Contact testing on the taper looks great.
 

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