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To be honest I cleaned that area before I took the picture... although I've yet to do anything with the lathe that would create much of a mess. Too many projects going on in the house at the same time.

They're actually 4"... cut from a 1" thick aluminum plate... resting on 6" square anti-vibration pads. And before anyone says anything... no, I did not purchase those particular pads because they match the black and blue on the lathe (and mill). But they DO look good. :wink:
 
Time for some serious info. I watched several videos on how to perform a tailstock alignment and have a 12" alignment tool on order so I'm good there. But what else needs done on a lathe?

I tried to find something that showed which areas need leveled/aligned... and what order to perform them... but I keep striking out. Even a list would get me started. It could be as simple as I'm not using the correct terms. Thanks.
 
I like your solution; however, how about the height?
Mine is somewhere around 4 inches and at 5' 8", I find that a bit too high--trouble seeing around the QCTP.
Not intended as a criticism--more just a question.

Jerry in Delaware
 
Time for some serious info. I watched several videos on how to perform a tailstock alignment and have a 12" alignment tool on order so I'm good there. But what else needs done on a lathe?

I tried to find something that showed which areas need leveled/aligned... and what order to perform them... but I keep striking out. Even a list would get me started. It could be as simple as I'm not using the correct terms. Thanks.

Do a search for Rollie's Dad's Method
 
Jerry... at this point I haven't used it to actually make anything so take the following with a grain of salt.

The levelers are adjusted so the height of the cabinet is on the lower side but I didn't want to make it any lower in case I had to make any further adjustments later. I'm 5'7" and the center of the chuck is about 4' 1" up from the floor... which is right below my chest. Maybe mark that height on a wall, or wherever, to see what you think. Personally I think it's fine. It looks like it will let me sit on a stool, but even if I stand I can see what I'm doing without hunching over all the time.

02/24/2016: Now that I've done more with the 1236, I take back what I said above. The lathe IS too high so I plan to build a large platform out of wood to stand on. I needed to eventually put something over the hard concrete floor anyway and now it will need to add some height as well. Sorry if I mislead anyone.
 
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Do a search for Rollie's Dad's Method

Thanks but I'm already set to align the tailstock once the alignment tool arrives later this week. But I'm under the impression I also need to do something like align the bed... and/or the rails... ? That's why I'm looking for a list of what all needs done, and the correct order? I want to make sure I've made all the adjustments I need before I start putting the lathe to work. Thanks.
 
Okay, I finally picked up a tool cabinet for the workshop and have most everything put away. But I have two pieces that I'm not sure what their for. Any help?

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Thanks but I'm already set to align the tailstock once the alignment tool arrives later this week. But I'm under the impression I also need to do something like align the bed... and/or the rails... ? That's why I'm looking for a list of what all needs done, and the correct order? I want to make sure I've made all the adjustments I need before I start putting the lathe to work. Thanks.

This is the process to align your headstock to the lathe bed "Rollie's Dad's Method"


Rollie's Dad's Method of Lathe Alignment
http://www.John-Wasser.com/NEMES/RDMLatheAlignment.html
Copyright 1997 by New England Model Engineering Society
What you need
A round bar
The bar length should be about 1/3 to 2/3 the bed length.
The bar should be of one diameter along most or all of its length. If it is not you will need a
micrometer to accurately measure its diameters.
The bar does not have to be completely straight.
Since Rollie has a car repair shop, he uses the shafts from junked shocks and struts.
A dial indicator
The end of the measuring rod should be flat.
A means of mounting the indicator on the cross-slide at lathe center height.
To do a vertical alignment: A means to mount the indicator on the cross slide so it is directly
above (or below) the lathe axis.
A chuck of any type to hold the bar.
Runout in the chuck is not a problem (for the same reason that a slight bend in the bar is not a
problem).
What you DON'T need
A tailstock, perfectly straight bar, a collet or precision chuck or any tool bits.
Applying the method (Horizontal Alignment)
1. Put the bar in the chuck.
2. Mount the dial indicator on the cross-slide at the center height of the lathe.
3. Pull the indicator's measuring rod back by hand (to avoid damage to the indicator) and move the
carrige so the indicator is near the chuck end.
4. Release the indicator rod and, turning the lathe by hand, note the highest and lowest measurements on
the indicator.
5. Average the high an low readings (add together and divide by two) to get the "near end average
distance". If you suspect the bar of not being a single diameter along its length, measure the diameter
and subtract half the diameter from the average to get a corrected "near end average distance"
6. Pull the indicator's measuring rod back by hand to clear any irregularities and move the carrige to the
end of the bar away from the chuck.
7. Release the indicator rod and again, turning the lathe by hand, note the highest and lowest
measurements on the indicator.
8. Average the new high an low readings (add together and divide by two) to get the "far end average
distance". If you suspect the bar of not being a single diameter along its length, measure the diameter
and subtract half the diameter from the average to get a corrected "far end average distance".
9. The difference between the "near end average distance" and "far end average distance" is a
measure of the misalignment of the spindle axis with the ways.
10. To correct the problem, put a piece of paper under the near-side foot at the headstock end of the lathe
(the feet at the tailstock end are sometimes pivoted to act as a single foot). Re-do the measurements
starting at step 3. If the alignment gets better, add more sheets of paper until the alignment is perfect. If
the alignment gets worse, put the paper under the far-side foot at the head end until alignment is
achieved.
Applying the method (Vertical Alignment)
1. Put the bar in the chuck.
2. Mount the dial indicator on the carridge so that it is directly above the center line of the spindle.
3. Pull the indicator's measuring rod back by hand (to avoid damage to the indicator) and move the
carrige so the indicator is near the chuck end.
4. Release the indicator rod and, turning the lathe by hand, note the highest and lowest measurements on
the indicator.
5. Average the high an low readings (add together and divide by two) to get the "near end average
distance". If you suspect the bar of not being a single diameter along its length, measure the diameter
and subtract half the diameter from the average to get a corrected "near end average distance".
6. Pull the indicator's measuring rod back by hand to clear any irregularities and move the carrige to the
end of the bar away from the chuck.
7. Release the indicator rod and again, turning the lathe by hand, note the highest and lowest
measurements on the indicator.
8. Average the new high an low readings (add together and divide by two) to get the "far end average
distance". If you suspect the bar of not being a single diameter along its length, measure the diameter
and subtract half the diameter from the average to get a corrected "far end average distance".
9. The difference between the "near end average distance" and "far end average distance" is a
measure of the misalignment of the spindle axis with the ways.
10. To correct the problem, put a piece of paper under both feet at the tailstock end of the lathe. Re-do the
measurements starting at step 3. If the alignment gets better, add more sheets of paper until the
alignment is perfect. If the alignment gets worse, put the paper under both feet at the headstock end until
alignment is achieved.
Why This Method Works
The bar acts as a circular cam. With a perfectly straight bar in a perfect chuck the bar is concentric with the
spindle axis. Since we don't live in a perfect world there is almost always a slight offset between the center
of the bar and the spindle axis. This offset varies from place to place along the bar due to slight bends
and/or imperfect mounting.
At any place you pick along the bar the center of the "cam" is some unknown distance from the spindle axis.
We'll call this unknown distance 'X'. As you turn the spindle axis the high measurement will be "Bar_radius
+ X" and the low measurement will be "Bar_radius - X". Their average will be:
((Bar_radius + X) + (Bar_radius - X)) / 2 =
((Bar_radius + Bar_radius) + (X - X)) / 2 =
(2 * Bar_radius) / 2 =
Bar_radius
As you can see, the value and direction of the deviation have no influence on the final result. That is why it
doesn't mater if the chuck is accurate or the bar has one or more slight bends.
If the bar is not the same diameter at both places we need to measure the diameters and adjust the readings.
Averaging the high and low readings gives us a reading for the local bar radius. We convert that to a reading
for the bar center by measuring the bar diameter and subtracting half the diameter (a.k.a. The Radius).
Common Error
Some people will find the near-end average distance, turn the lathe till it reads that distance and then move
the carridge down the ways with that mistaken assumption that the reading shouldn't change. That method
will only work if your bar is known to be perfectly straight and the chuck is known to hold the bar in
perfect alignment with the spindle axis. Do not confuse that method with this one.
I learned all this from a fellow member of the New England Model Engineering Society. Join us the first
Thursday of every month at the Charles River Museum of Industry in Waltham, Mass.
 
I'm glad we've moved on to better methods now.
 
The two pieces are:

Left side===MT5 to MT? adapter. I have forgotten what the inner MT size is, but I think it is MT3. The inside of the spindle is MT5--the adapter allows something like a MT3 dead center to be used.

Right side===R8 arbor. Normally used on milling machines. I do not recall my 12x36 coming with one. They are extremely common on mills.

Jerry in Delaware
 
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