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dmittz

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Thanks, I'm doing my best. Sorry if progress is a little slow. I have a young family so between that and work I don't get to too much time, i've also been sick lately too.

Once I finish refurbishing the parts in the top of the head I will have a look at the lower part of the head and post some pictures.

What does that fork your trying to install do?
 

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I am sorry to be such a pain. I remember young ones and the hassles of life.
This is the clutch lever for the downfeed. I took it apart a while back and I don't remember how it went back together.
The clutch adjustment eccentric is drilled off center. I know it came out without any trouble.
 

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No worries, I know it is frustrating to be stalled on a project when something goes wrong (won't go. back together).

I work saturday's so I won't have time tomorrow but I will see if I can find some time this week to take a few pictures of the down feed mechanism on the head.
 

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Hi Guys, so a bit of bad news my phone died without warning today, which means I have no camera to take any pictures. I had planned to photograph the disassembly of the head today, but with no phone/camera that was not possible. This afternoon was the only time I had available to work on the mill this week. Sorry Azshadeguy I wanted to help you out but looks like it will have to wait until next weekend/week. On the positive side I used my time today to get the final color coat put on the parts of the upper head, so the upper head is ready to be reassembled once the paint hardens up.
 

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No problem Thanks for trying.
I was looking at the thead about the model 845 and it looks like the head is the same.
There are diagrams on the web for the 845 that a lot more detailed than the manual I have for the 745
 

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Hi guys, sorry its been a while I don't get much time in the workshop. However with what time I have I am still plotting along on the 745.

Since I don't want to many parts laying around the shop, I figured I would put the top of the head back together before dealing with the lower head.

a few pictures of the process....
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I made sure to clean-out and re-greese all the bearing and put a bit of oil on all the gears.

I need to get a keyway before I can put the one pulley on...but other than that the upper head is all ready to go.

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Slowly but surely I'll get this machine back into working shape.
 

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I am really liking that color you are painting the mill.
What kind of rivets did you use to reattach the nameplate with?
 

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I am really liking that color you are painting the mill.
What kind of rivets did you use to reattach the nameplate with?
Thanks Azshadeguy. So far I had been able to reuse all of the original rivets/pins that held the tags on.

However, I just noticed this week that one rivet/pin went missing off my work bench and I could not find it so I need to figure out where I can get a new one. If anyone has any suggestions they would be welcomed.
 

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Hi Guys so I am finally getting started on the lower head tear down. The head on my machine was in working order with everything functioning so this should be a good guide for anyone needing to see how the 745 head is put together.

Here's the lower head
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Top view...
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This handle moves the exposed gear up and down...
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The first order of business was to remove the exposed gear. I first removed the pin and set screw that hold the handle to the shaft as well as the set screw that retains the shaft.

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After you disengage the mechanism from the gear you can pull the gear out...
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Here is what it looks like with the gear removed...
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Next up was this....
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To remove the handle there is a pin you must remove and a set screw you must loosen...
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Cover plate removed...
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The mechanism can be taken right out without any further work...
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Its pretty hard to see with all the grease so I cleaned everything up so you guys can see what the actual parts look like...
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I will post more tear down pictures in a little bit when I get time...
 

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With the grease cleaned off...
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With the grease cleaned off...
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besure to remove the set screw on the 'dough nut' that is on the threaded shaft...
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There is a little retaining snap ring at the bottom of the threaded shaft that muat be removed....
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Then drive the shaft out the bottom...
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Next up is the handle that lowers the spindle, the handle is easily removed by unscrewing it...
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That was as far as I got on this mechanism, the heavy cast cover held on by the 3 nuts seemed stuck... I will come back to it. Any tips?

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Well guys that's as far as I got more next time... until then let me know of you have any disassembally tips?
 

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That yellow grease looks just like mine did

Looking good thanks for all the pictures
 

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Hi guys, happy Easter to everyone.

I spent a little more time working on the head today. It took much longer than it should have since I don't have any sort of guide to tell me how to take things apart. But hopefully this thread will help others with future head tear downs.

So picking up where I left off I removed the gears.
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The gears all came out easily, I just pulled them all put by hand once the cover was off.
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Next up was the downfeed mechanism... I spent way to long trying to figure out how to get the spindle out and finally determined I needed to take this apart first. The next issue was getting the cover off... it seemed like it would not come off and I wanted to be carful not to break anything. After spending way too long delicately playing with it I used a pry bar and it came off no problem.
Here is the order of components:
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This part has a grove that the coiled up spring sits into...
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I couldn't quite figure out how to get the rest of this mechanism out yet... so I will come back to it next time.

Next up was the spindle, basically I was able to push it all the way down and out (took some force near the end of its travel).
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The spindle itself spins very smooth and easily so I will leave it alone.
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If anyone has any tear down tips for removing the remaining parts in the head please let me know.

Can't wait to get it all apart so I can priperly clean out all that nasty/ sticky yellow grease.
 

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Thank you for the pictures. It will help when I put mine back together.
From your picture where you took the bolt that holds the downfeed fork I can see that mine does not sit down as far as yours.
I must have the shaft in wrong but I can only make it go in one way.
I will wait until you get the next part cleaned a maybe it will become clear
Thanks for taking the time posting the pictures
Paul
 

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No problem, glad I can be a help. Sorry I am so slow my workshop time is quite limited and it also takes me while to figure out how to take everything apart with no guide and I have to be very cautious not to break anything.

Next time my challenge will be to figure out how to get that pivoting fork off the shaft, You can not just pull it off as it gets stuck against the housing. I need to figure out how to seperate the pivoting fork from the bushing that is around the shaft.... all that sticky yellow grease makes it hard to see!
 

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That fork is will come off the shaft. Looks like is the grease is holding it on. Just the fork push it off the bushing
 

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Hi guys, I spent a little more time tearing down the head today.

I had to remove a small pin that held this kob on the end of this shaft.
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I was then able to drive that shaft out.

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Once that shaft was removed the gear that lowers the quill was freed-up but Because of that pivot fork I could not get it out. The pivot fork cannot be removed from the shaft as far as I can tell. I could of course drill out the pivot points but I am very reluctant to use such agressive measures to take things apart.

Pictures of the pivot fork and gear that I cannot get out.

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I also can't seem to get this little worm gear out... despite the fact that I already removed what seems to be 2 retaining screws that hold it in place.

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If anyone has taken one of these heads apart before and can give me some advise on how to remove these two components that would be greatly appreciated as I can't move forward until I figure this out.
 

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I don't remember how the worm gear came out. I will see if I can get mine out.
 

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I don't remember how the worm gear came out. I will see if I can get mine out.
Thank you for the information. From the looks of your pictures my issues seems to be that there is a gear that slides up and down on the shaft with the pivot fork is blocking the pivot fork from 'pivoting' enough to clear the housing so it can slide off the shaft. So next time I need to find a way to seperate that sliding gear from the pivot fork.

I on your head did you also remove the worm gear that meshes with the gear that lowers the quill? If its still in place that is the only thing that I could see stopping your gear from seating properly. It looks like from the picture that it is in fact that worm that is stopping your gear from seating. Maybe try seating that gear then installing the worm gear. On Mine the gear was freed-up once I removed th3 worm gear and it would come out easily except for the pivot fork. I will know more once I can see behind that gear though.

One more question how did you seperate the pivot fork/bushing from the the gear that slides up and down with it?

Thank you again for the help it is much appreciated.
 

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So with advise/pictures from azshadeguy I was able to get the bushing and pivot fork off today. There was some sort of little retaing ring that was holding it on. Once that was removed it came right off and I was able to take the gear out behind it :)

retaining ring removed...
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pivot fork removed...
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Sliding gear removed....
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main gear for quill removed...
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Very grimey housing... glad I got the gear off so I can clean it up.

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Housing after a very quick wipe down....
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Now I just need to figure out how to get that one remaing worm gear out...
 

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I don't have a manual. I have heard its not very good other than to get part #. So I didn't bother since mine had no broken parts.

I'll have a look at that manual you posted the link for, thank you.
 

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That clip is very small and was obsured by the grease on my machine. Definietly easy to forget.

Were you able to get your gear seated with the worm removed azshadeguy?
 

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Were you able to get your gear seated with the worm removed azshadeguy?
Yes I did I just went and took out the gears and the shaft went all the way in. I have been stumped for a long time over this thanks for the suggestion. IMG_2582.JPGIMG_2579.JPGIMG_2580.JPGIMG_2581.JPGIMG_2582.JPGIMG_2579.JPGIMG_2581.JPGIMG_2582.JPG
 
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