o i still sling iron pretty good, back's ok but my knees bother me when i have to crawl around much, got the table framed out of 2 and 3 inch angle, 2- 3/4 inch plates on each end 20 x12 with the middle open, ain,t gonna use the splash pan gonna drop one down just under top as a pull out type with sump and pump.. then a little more frame welding, then kennedy type drawer's and a few shelves, as said i got the main frame built, with casters and leveling jacks. i got to weld down those plates, drill em and check out this lathe, know you didn't ask for all that, seems like the older i get the more i talk just thought others that can stick weld might be interested in design ...thanks for your concern,have a good rest of the night