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your lathe is going to be "really nice" when you get it done
a real labor of love
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buffer.-gearbox-prep-005.jpg buffer.-gearbox-prep-006.jpg I also got a new 8" 1hp buffer, so I thought I would buff up the handles a little before I painted them. I could have sanded them for a chrome like finish but as I stated earlier, this will be a user not a show piece. So here's a pic after wire wheeling the paint and rust off. And one buffed with emery compound. I didn't think I needed to go any smoother than they are, they look good to me!
 
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Looking good! My recommendation is to NOT paint the any area that your hands will touch - handles, outside of wheels, etc. I think it just makes for a better looking machine.

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Looking good! My recommendation is to NOT paint the any area that your hands will touch - handles, outside of wheels, etc. I think it just makes for a better looking machine.

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That's my plan! Thanks for the advice though.
 

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covers-n-gears-001.jpg covers-n-gears-002.jpg covers-n-gears-003.jpg covers-n-gears-004.jpg covers-n-gears-005.jpg covers-n-gears-006.jpg So I have been painting the gear box and a couple of other parts, brushing the paint on so as not to get paint in the shaft holes. Brushed on rust oleum takes forever to dry. While I am watching paint dry I thought I would get a couple of the covers and the door on the base. I am waiting to install the large motor and belt access cover untill I can get a couple of knobs for it then it will be tool less access. I do have a new kevlar belt installed and adjusted. Here's a couple of pics, and also the gears look lonely waiting to be re mated with the housing.
 
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finished gearbox 005.JPG finished gearbox 006.JPG finished gearbox 001.JPG finished gearbox 002.JPG I couldn't find any male studded knobs so I mad a couple. I just epoxied some long threaded bolts into the knobs and let them stick through the knobs a little so the threads would get covered in epoxy. I let them cure for 24hrs and then just cut the heads off the bolts with a dremel. Now my belt and motor access cover is tool less! I also installed the lead screw support bearing and the lead screw temporarily.finished gearbox 002.JPGfinished gearbox 001.JPG
 
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finished gearbox 003.JPG finished gearbox 004.JPG finished gearbox 007.JPG finished gearbox 008.JPG finished gearbox 009.JPG I have gone back to work now after my injury with some restrictions and that has kept me busy, so I let the painted parts cure for a week before doing any assembly. I installed the belt tensioner for the under drive and installed the gear, needle bearing, spacer, and shaft in the gear box selector lever to make it ready for the final assembly of the gear box. View attachment 95417
 
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finished gearbox 010.JPG finished gearbox 011.JPG finished gearbox 012.JPG finished gearbox 013.JPG finished gearbox 014.JPG I got the gear box casting ready to install all the gears and shafts. I removed the masking tape and cleaned out all the holes of any paint that might have gotten in them. I also installed all new oiling felts and lubed them with the proper oil.
 
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finished gearbox 015.JPG finished gearbox 016.JPG finished gearbox 017.JPG finished gearbox 018.JPG finished gearbox 019.JPG And this is what the gear box looks like fully assembled and lubed, everything works verey smoothly and turns by hand easy peasy! I also found a guy on ebay that makes some very high quality reproduction plates and they where just what was needed for a finishing touch. What do you think guys? does it look better than what I started with?
 
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looks like brand new really nice work
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finished gearbox 020.JPG finished gearbox 021.JPG finished gearbox 022.JPG finished gearbox 023.JPG This is the completed gear box installed on the lathe temporarily, I will have to remove it to install the apron when that is completed and then install the lead screw jam nuts. It's starting to look like a lathe again! Also here's a pic of the next victom to go on the operating table for a little cosmetic surgery and some physical work too! The very dirty apron, it will get the same treatment.
 
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Greg,

I think your work is fabulous. You have really cleaned every micron of that lathe and it looks better than factory. Nice accent color (Black) on handles, etc... Thanks for the show!

Question,
you mentioned how smoothly the gearbox is operating now...... did you replace any bushings, bearings?
 

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Greg,

I think your work is fabulous. You have really cleaned every micron of that lathe and it looks better than factory. Nice accent color (Black) on handles, etc... Thanks for the show!

Question,
you mentioned how smoothly the gearbox is operating now...... did you replace any bushings, bearings?
Thanks for the kind words! I'm glad you are enjoying my pics! I think that how I am refurbing this lathe is a little different than how some might do it, but it shows there are many ways to do something. I am doing this for low dollars and lots of elbow grease, it's a labor of love. No bushings or bearings needed to be replaced, no wear grooves or scoring, just a good cleaning and lubricating as it sat for years, and reassembled with the proper oil. I also removed and replaced all the oiling wicks as they where hard and packed with crud. The cool thing about doing a project like this is I will know every single piece of this lathe when it's done and that will make operating it and maintenance easier.
 

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I'm working on my 65' heavy 10. Got the countershaft assembly finished and working on the Steel cabinet now. Next will be the gearbox - it is a double tumbler style. I can wiggle the leadscrew quite a bit and it wobbles (I think) within the gearbox bore. This has me thinking it is wallowed out.....but it is a long leadscrew that extends 36+ inches from a casting, so this type of play may me normal. I suppose I can only really tell once I get into it and clean, inspect.

What wicks / felt sizes and types are you using? Or did you go with the SB heavy 10 kit from ebay?
 

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May I offer my congratulations, and praise, for your work on that Heavy - very, very nice! And this come from a guy that KNOWS what an undertaking a project like that can be, and yet at the same time be such a blast!

Last summer/fall I did a 1942 Heavy 10, it was in much, much worse condition than yours and I spent quite a bit more money on it than looks like what you will be in to yours. But, in a lot of ways I'm kinda glad it was so bad, I learned, and did, stuff that I never thought I would have - or could have! (I learned to cut all my gears and shafts)

Heres a hint at what I had to do --and a link to my photobucket site with a bunch of other pics you might like

http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b301/pace1980/South%20Bend%20Heavy%2010/#!cpZZ2QQtppZZ20

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I'm working on my 65' heavy 10. Got the countershaft assembly finished and working on the Steel cabinet now. Next will be the gearbox - it is a double tumbler style. I can wiggle the leadscrew quite a bit and it wobbles (I think) within the gearbox bore. This has me thinking it is wallowed out.....but it is a long leadscrew that extends 36+ inches from a casting, so this type of play may me normal. I suppose I can only really tell once I get into it and clean, inspect.

What wicks / felt sizes and types are you using? Or did you go with the SB heavy 10 kit from ebay?
I bought the rebuild kit and the book of ebay and I highly recommend them. The kit is high quality and includes everything you will need. The book is excellent also and explains everything as far as proper order and how to disassemble and reassemble without damaging anything. The book has step by step photo's and is well written in easy terms to understand.
 

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May I offer my congratulations, and praise, for your work on that Heavy - very, very nice! And this come from a guy that KNOWS what an undertaking a project like that can be, and yet at the same time be such a blast!

Last summer/fall I did a 1942 Heavy 10, it was in much, much worse condition than yours and I spent quite a bit more money on it than looks like what you will be in to yours. But, in a lot of ways I'm kinda glad it was so bad, I learned, and did, stuff that I never thought I would have - or could have! (I learned to cut all my gears and shafts)
Thank you for posting the link to your pics, I enjoyed them. I did read your thread and all the trials and tribulations you went through, and it inspired me. Restoring one of these is a labor of love, I am enjoying the project and look forward to the day that I can use it and get it dirty. They say that their only new once, but I think the people that restore them make them new again! Great job on yours too!
 

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finished gearbox 023.JPG Apron teardown n clean 001.JPG Apron teardown n clean 002.JPG Apron teardown n clean 003.JPG Apron teardown n clean 004.JPG Apron teardown n clean 005.JPG Apron teardown n clean 006.JPG Just so you guys don't think that I have been slacking, I have been working on the lathe when I can. Work has been just insane lately since I got back, working a full time job and a part time job takes a lot out of me sometimes but I gotta take it when I can. Here's some pics of what I have gotten done so far. Started with a dirty apron assembly and stripped it for a trip to the parts washer to clean it with wire brushes for a better inspection of the parts. The sump had some chips in it as expected but not to bad. I have seen some guys sumps just packed with crud! Everything looked real good and no surprises so I wire wheeled all the paint off and buffed up the handles in preperation for painting. got everything all masked off too. I did get the first coat of paint on today, hope to have some more pics next weekend!
 
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Greg,

Don't think anyone who refurbishes a SB is a slacker.....too many parts.....haha. Looking good.
 

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You are doing great. I never would of thought how addictive the stuff could be lol
 

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Wow, what a nice job you are doing. I'm preparing to refurbish my 13"SB so I'm taking notes!
 

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Thanks for the kind words guys! It is encouraging to here that people think your work is nice. It is addicting and a labor of love, very fun to take something old and grungy and make it new again. This lathe is older than me and it's really cool to see how they made things back in the day. I have been painting every day this week so that maybe I can get the apron assembled this weekend, gonna go put a coat on now!
 

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apron-assy,-saddle-tear-dow.jpg apron-assy-1.jpg apron-assy-2.jpg apron-assy-3.jpg apron-assy-4.jpg So I have made a little more progress, got everything all painted and worked on the assembly. I installed all new felt oiling wicks, that's the reason I originally started this rebuild, it just kinda spun off into a full restore. In the second and third pics you can see some of the wicks. In the fourth and fifth pics you can see the half nut gib clamp, I had some trouble with it and when I tightened the bolts down the lever did not work smothly and would stick in places. I clamped the gib in a vice and made a few strokes with a very fine file and it revealed high and low spots, a few more strokes and it was dead flat. I reassembled it and it's smooth as can be now. Guys when you are working on your machines to restore them take the time to fix things like this or you will never get back to it. Now is the time to do it!
 
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apron-assy-5.jpg apron-assy-6.jpg apron-assy-7.jpg apron-assy-8.jpg A few more pics of sundays progress. Top 2 pics are what the finished apron will look like, the hand wheel and pinion shaft are only on temporaraly as I am going to do a modification to the oiling wick and add a gits oil cup, this was reccomended in the rebuild book I got off ebay and it makes perfect sense! Why not do it, I will post pics when I get that done. The last 2 pics show the oil sump cover ready to be installed, used a new gasket and some sealer and installed it.
 
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saddle-tear-down-1.jpg saddle-tear-down-2.jpg saddle-tear-down-3.jpg Everything on the apron went together without much fuss and I had some more time so I got into the saddle. Everything on the saddle came apart quite easy, some small parts where missing, little brass shoes behind screws for the gibs, no big deal, I can make those. Someone at some point in this lathes life did a half a$$ restore to it, I have been correcting everything I have found to make it right. The last 2 pics show something interesting I found, and I talked to a retired machinery rebuilder about this. Teflon strips on the saddle where it rides on the ways. He said this is a common practice to repair or improve the machine, he said some manufacturers are even doing this on new machines. This kinda explains why my ways where in such good condition. The real test will be when it's all done and I do a long test cut to see if it holds a tolerance. You just never know what your gonna find in these old machines! When I got home from work today I took all the saddle parts out to the garage for a good washing in the parts washer, I'll post some more pics soon.
 
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Greg,
Those 'teflon' strips are probably "Rulon" or "Turcite" and yes, its a common repair for these old worn machines. If you get curious, google those names and you should see a lot of stuff on their use. I had to use "Rulon" on the Sheldon I just finished - both products are pricey and so is the special epoxy to stick it down.
 

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Guys when you are working on your machines to restore them take the time to fix things like this or you will never get back to it. Now is the time to do it!
Very true words Greg - nice catch!

My 65' Heavy 10 has turned into the same complete rebuild. Bearings were all shot in the Countershaft and now the QCGB. No doubt I'll see some issues with the Apron, Saddle, Tailstock and Spindle.......hopefully all minor.

When a machine is over 30 yrs old it is going to need new sealed bearings.....just the way it works. Swarf, chips, caked grease gum up everything. Took me an hour to clean the oil passages in the Gearbox. We should all be thankful that these machines can take abuse, and the majority of them can be returned to factory fresh.......but it does take some time, some TLC, and a lot of patience. It is very rewarding to see a problem and fix it.

Keep at it.... I'll be a couple months behind on my restore.....but (like you) will be very pleased with the process and outcome.
 

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Very true words Greg - nice catch!

My 65' Heavy 10 has turned into the same complete rebuild. Bearings were all shot in the Countershaft and now the QCGB. No doubt I'll see some issues with the Apron, Saddle, Tailstock and Spindle.......hopefully all minor.

When a machine is over 30 yrs old it is going to need new sealed bearings.....just the way it works. Swarf, chips, caked grease gum up everything. Took me an hour to clean the oil passages in the Gearbox. We should all be thankful that these machines can take abuse, and the majority of them can be returned to factory fresh.......but it does take some time, some TLC, and a lot of patience. It is very rewarding to see a problem and fix it.

Keep at it.... I'll be a couple months behind on my restore.....but (like you) will be very pleased with the process and outcome.
Have you been posting pics of your progress? I would like to see where your at so far. These projects do take time and elbow grease but it is fun and very rewarding! I am currently stripping the paint off the saddle, buy the time I get home from my 2 jobs I only have about an hour of daylight outside to work in, I get a piece a day done and ready for paint.
 

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Have you been posting pics of your progress? I would like to see where your at so far.
I haven't shown any photos. I do have a dozen or so perhaps taken from my cell phone while dismantling the part in the garage and such. I'll get those organized and take some current pics with my digital camera. I can probably get a thread started next week. I suppose everyone enjoys photos of South Bend Lathes -- it's like we are a big family.
 

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gits-oiler-mod-001.jpg gits-oiler-mod-002.jpg gits-oiler-mod-003.jpg gits-oiler-mod-004.jpg gits-oiler-mod-005.jpg So I got the gits oil cups the other day and I did the modification to the hand wheel shaft today. I first drilled a 1/8" hole through the casting and into the groove for the wick. Then I counter bored that hole with a 1/4" bit 3/16" deep and seated the cup with a brass punch. I installed the cup a little towards the front of the apron so I would have easy access to the cover either from the top behind the hand wheel or through the hand wheel from the front. By directly oiling the wick oil will never be an issue on this highly used shaft. The original install of the wick was very close to 2 gears and I could see how the wick might have gotten caught and cut and you would never know it, you would then be running it dry and not know it. The apron is now complete! I have been working on the saddle, all paint is stripped and I started repainting today, pics to come when done.
 
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